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  • KM Type XXI

    08. 02. 2013 09:02


Ultra_Dog

So I got the new Type XXI sub.  Loaded it up with my crew from the Type IX.  No need for gunner or extra torper.  Put my Chief Seaman on next to 3 engineers, left one open slot and added armor.   Could not add more than trivial amount of armor, even with one support slot empty.  Too low of DP space (less than Type IX).

Played about 4 games, gave up and put it back in harbor, unloaded all my sailors and put them back on the Type IX.  Done.

The six front tubes are nice if you want to put a salvo into a BB, but 6 KM torps will not sink a BB5 even if the salvo hits directly on the hitbox, so it still requires a reload. Without rear tubes, you have to stop in your tracks and wait for a reload. Cannot bypass BB and hit him with your rears. 

Lack of rear tubes is your death.  Anyone that gets behind you will eat you alive.  No gun, cannot even defend against even an FF if you have to surface. 

Poor choice of sub in my opinion.

Oh, and after I got back into the Type IX, I promptly sank several new subs, including Type XXIs, and found myself, as usual, the last sub surviving the game.     The Type XXI provides very little advantage and lot of disadvantages during gameplay.   Watching a TYpe XXI getting hunted by a Fletcher DD was sickening to watch.   Once the DD was on the tail of the sub, it was just a matter of time.  If you find yourself with a DD camped above you, you might as well just surface and let them sink you. 

I had an FF mess with me, I surfaced and drilled him with my pop gun and sank him.  Not an option with new SS. 

Same speed (capped at 34/40)  Same torps, same air supply, same OH duration with engineers, same FCS SS type III, same Engine.            

 

  • Re : KM Type XXI

    08. 03. 2013 05:12


Zutokljunac

Originally Posted by ruza3cz

 

1. Yes XXI was rockat fats with max underwater speed 16knots (can mantani less the one hour) which is same as Apolllo V rocket (28800 km/h) or basic unguided WWII missile (290-330 m/s). (In RL XXI have 3-4 times greater eco speed and greater endurace in eco speed). In game XXI speed is 24/40 and 21/34 which is fastest SS6. What do you what 50/90 or something ridiculus ?

To be serius may by switch the speed will be good. surface 21/34 undervater 24/40, but with that mean when you catch BB than BB4 and above it cant escape (with exception of WAW).

2. KM SS6 have best reload from all SS5-6, have 6 proxi torpedos, with send fasted torpedo (60kn) and 3rd greates dmg per torpedo ? Plese which partameter you wat better to have some belance ? (Becase in SS is rather less balance first 4 natiins in SS1-4 have some balnce but when arrive nev nations ans SS the balnce is losing).

3. Max deph have great problem in NF which knowe only 3 levels, surface,periscop depth, and critical (where you are invicible to all undervater attck which in RL uo was not. End war deep charges has ability to archive 300m which is tipical crit dive of ingame sub). 

4. At the end you have good turnforce on SS6, dot forget that SS balance create SS4 best turnrete subs, SS5,6 have more suport slots (ie. greater oh time,better reair ability easy SD cap archivment).

5. To crit time I cant compare but I thig that all SS tier heve same time or very minor diferences.

Still thing that UK  SS5 was much greater disaster and XXI is still beter then IJN SS5. I thing that greatest problem is that XXI is only front fighting SS which you are not use to use. (But i thing if enemy sip is behind my SS tha I make great error).



1. Real speed is surface 28,9km/h submerged 31,9km/h 
in game will be good 38knt surface 40knt underwater

2. Do you know why ? becouse we have lowest number of tubes

3. Find one real subamrine which is sunk on 150m+ with asw , yea depth charges can go 300m but will never hit they nead to be adjusted to thet depth before shoot

4. I nead to have best turn force on km subs thats reson why km subs have low number of tubes&small size to be suited for battle (from history we still turn to slow comperd on real uboats and most our subs are to big i mean on  ss3&ss4)
KM ss4 is only ss4 with only 3support slots which mke her slowest one
KM ss5 dont have more support slots than other its ijn ss5
KM ss6 have most support slot but lowest number of all slots , rep works on gun slot so its like she had one less

5. Its minor difrence unexperinced ss driver cant notice that but i can

UK ss5 is disaster but i dont play it and i dont care to search history facts for sub which i dont play let it do ppl which use it , i fight for ships which i use i dont have time for all

All real life facts for any nation have my bless but i will not waste my time to reserch it 

  • Re : KM Type XXI

    08. 03. 2013 06:32


SaseCaiBlele

Originally Posted by Zutokljunac

Originally Posted by ruza3cz

 

1. Yes XXI was rockat fats with max underwater speed 16knots (can mantani less the one hour) which is same as Apolllo V rocket (28800 km/h) or basic unguided WWII missile (290-330 m/s). (In RL XXI have 3-4 times greater eco speed and greater endurace in eco speed). In game XXI speed is 24/40 and 21/34 which is fastest SS6. What do you what 50/90 or something ridiculus ?

To be serius may by switch the speed will be good. surface 21/34 undervater 24/40, but with that mean when you catch BB than BB4 and above it cant escape (with exception of WAW).

2. KM SS6 have best reload from all SS5-6, have 6 proxi torpedos, with send fasted torpedo (60kn) and 3rd greates dmg per torpedo ? Plese which partameter you wat better to have some belance ? (Becase in SS is rather less balance first 4 natiins in SS1-4 have some balnce but when arrive nev nations ans SS the balnce is losing).

3. Max deph have great problem in NF which knowe only 3 levels, surface,periscop depth, and critical (where you are invicible to all undervater attck which in RL uo was not. End war deep charges has ability to archive 300m which is tipical crit dive of ingame sub). 

4. At the end you have good turnforce on SS6, dot forget that SS balance create SS4 best turnrete subs, SS5,6 have more suport slots (ie. greater oh time,better reair ability easy SD cap archivment).

5. To crit time I cant compare but I thig that all SS tier heve same time or very minor diferences.

Still thing that UK  SS5 was much greater disaster and XXI is still beter then IJN SS5. I thing that greatest problem is that XXI is only front fighting SS which you are not use to use. (But i thing if enemy sip is behind my SS tha I make great error).



1. Real speed is surface 28,9km/h submerged 31,9km/h 
in game will be good 38knt surface 40knt underwater

2. Do you know why ? becouse we have lowest number of tubes

3. Find one real subamrine which is sunk on 150m+ with asw , yea depth charges can go 300m but will never hit they nead to be adjusted to thet depth before shoot

4. I nead to have best turn force on km subs thats reson why km subs have low number of tubes&small size to be suited for battle (from history we still turn to slow comperd on real uboats and most our subs are to big i mean on  ss3&ss4)
KM ss4 is only ss4 with only 3support slots which mke her slowest one
KM ss5 dont have more support slots than other its ijn ss5
KM ss6 have most support slot but lowest number of all slots , rep works on gun slot so its like she had one less

5. Its minor difrence unexperinced ss driver cant notice that but i can

UK ss5 is disaster but i dont play it and i dont care to search history facts for sub which i dont play let it do ppl which use it , i fight for ships which i use i dont have time for all

All real life facts for any nation have my bless but i will not waste my time to reserch it 



1:40 speed underwater? facepalm...this serios ruin bb game
2: based on this uk ss4 nead 60 speed.........km ss5 has 6 tube(4+2)ijn ss5 has 6 tubes(6 front and is real slow,turning..no proxi,huge)
4 is more lol 
ss4 km sd 900 armor 40 speed..yep is slow 
ss5 has similar nr tubes...u run in 2 engine 40 speed..how many for ijn ss5?for 39-40? 
UK ss5 is disaster but i dont play it and i dont care to search history facts for sub 
becose history facts for sub is in ww2 uk win vs km combat ss/this whole treath is in the end buff my km ss becose i play only km ...........no coment rest

  • Re : KM Type XXI

    08. 03. 2013 07:13


Zutokljunac

Originally Posted by SaseCaiBlele

Originally Posted by Zutokljunac

Originally Posted by ruza3cz

 

1. Yes XXI was rockat fats with max underwater speed 16knots (can mantani less the one hour) which is same as Apolllo V rocket (28800 km/h) or basic unguided WWII missile (290-330 m/s). (In RL XXI have 3-4 times greater eco speed and greater endurace in eco speed). In game XXI speed is 24/40 and 21/34 which is fastest SS6. What do you what 50/90 or something ridiculus ?

To be serius may by switch the speed will be good. surface 21/34 undervater 24/40, but with that mean when you catch BB than BB4 and above it cant escape (with exception of WAW).

2. KM SS6 have best reload from all SS5-6, have 6 proxi torpedos, with send fasted torpedo (60kn) and 3rd greates dmg per torpedo ? Plese which partameter you wat better to have some belance ? (Becase in SS is rather less balance first 4 natiins in SS1-4 have some balnce but when arrive nev nations ans SS the balnce is losing).

3. Max deph have great problem in NF which knowe only 3 levels, surface,periscop depth, and critical (where you are invicible to all undervater attck which in RL uo was not. End war deep charges has ability to archive 300m which is tipical crit dive of ingame sub). 

4. At the end you have good turnforce on SS6, dot forget that SS balance create SS4 best turnrete subs, SS5,6 have more suport slots (ie. greater oh time,better reair ability easy SD cap archivment).

5. To crit time I cant compare but I thig that all SS tier heve same time or very minor diferences.

Still thing that UK  SS5 was much greater disaster and XXI is still beter then IJN SS5. I thing that greatest problem is that XXI is only front fighting SS which you are not use to use. (But i thing if enemy sip is behind my SS tha I make great error).



1. Real speed is surface 28,9km/h submerged 31,9km/h 
in game will be good 38knt surface 40knt underwater

2. Do you know why ? becouse we have lowest number of tubes

3. Find one real subamrine which is sunk on 150m+ with asw , yea depth charges can go 300m but will never hit they nead to be adjusted to thet depth before shoot

4. I nead to have best turn force on km subs thats reson why km subs have low number of tubes&small size to be suited for battle (from history we still turn to slow comperd on real uboats and most our subs are to big i mean on  ss3&ss4)
KM ss4 is only ss4 with only 3support slots which mke her slowest one
KM ss5 dont have more support slots than other its ijn ss5
KM ss6 have most support slot but lowest number of all slots , rep works on gun slot so its like she had one less

5. Its minor difrence unexperinced ss driver cant notice that but i can

UK ss5 is disaster but i dont play it and i dont care to search history facts for sub which i dont play let it do ppl which use it , i fight for ships which i use i dont have time for all

All real life facts for any nation have my bless but i will not waste my time to reserch it 



1:40 speed underwater? facepalm...this serios ruin bb game
2: based on this uk ss4 nead 60 speed.........km ss5 has 6 tube(4+2)ijn ss5 has 6 tubes(6 front and is real slow,turning..no proxi,huge)
4 is more lol 
ss4 km sd 900 armor 40 speed..yep is slow 
ss5 has similar nr tubes...u run in 2 engine 40 speed..how many for ijn ss5?for 39-40? 
UK ss5 is disaster but i dont play it and i dont care to search history facts for sub 
becose history facts for sub is in ww2 uk win vs km combat ss/this whole treath is in the end buff my km ss becose i play only km ...........no coment rest



uk subs win km sub in ww2 lol top10 german commanders sunk more ships than whole uk submarine force

Look what Winston Churchill sayed Uk ldr tell all i dont nead to explain more listen hes words

Winston Churchill once wrote that, '... the only thing that ever really frightened me during the war was the U-boat peril'. In saying this, he correctly identified the importance of the threat posed during World War Two by German submarines (the 'Unterseeboot') to the Atlantic lifeline. This lifeline was Britain's 'centre of gravity' - the loss of which would probably have led to wholesale defeat in the war.

equipment from North America to Britain, the outcome of World War Two could have been radically different. Britain might have been starved into submission, and her armies would not have been equipped with American-built tanks and vehicles.

Moreover, if the Allies had not been able to move ships about the North Atlantic, it would have been impossible to project British and American land forces ashore in the Mediterranean theatres or on D-Day. Germany's best hope of defeating Britain lay in winning what Churchill christened the 'Battle of the Atlantic'.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/wwtwo/battle_atlantic_01.shtml 

If germans was more clever they will change enigma books before every u boat war patrol and germany will win war , on this way alied know all time where german uboats are 
Allied could read enigma in 1941 than germans put 4th rotor in enigma(1942) and was again in allied control from 1943 to the end of war

Many uboot crews lost thier life becouse high command didnt listen uboot commanders that allies read thier massages 


And for other nation subs 
Translate this seams like you dont understend english or you just troll around
UK ss5 is disaster but i dont play it and i dont care to search history facts for sub which i dont play let it do players which use it , i fight for ships which i use i dont have time for all

All real life facts for any nation have my bless but i will not waste my time to reserch it  

  • Re : KM Type XXI

    08. 03. 2013 23:05


StJuggs

While using the KM SS5.5, I launched 3 torps into the KM SS5. 2 hit before he went into crit dive status. When he came up, I launched 6 (gradual). 5 Hit. He was still in the green. No deck gun, less support slots, and no rear torps makes this ship a hard play. Earlier, I had a 50% dud rate. (There are people out there that believe KM torps do not dud)

However, there have been games where I turned the tide of battle in the KM SS5.5. I used my proxy torp advantage and superior turning force to take on other subs 2v1. After doing that, I went south and stopped 2 QV's from taking apart my team. In another battle, after taking out the 3 subs mid, I was able to lay waste to the remaining enemy ships south.

This ship does some things good. It fails at others. It's like an IJN SS4 with less torp tubes and torps that deal less damage, but makes up for it with proxy torps and turning force.

  • Re : KM Type XXI

    08. 04. 2013 05:35


maceg003

Yes the XXl  doesn't have back torp tubes, big deal, IJN ss4/5/6 and UK ss5 don't have them and nor do they have proxy torps.

XXl has great turning force, speed caps eaiser, higher speed cap, longer range torps than other KM subs, it has the same speed torps as SN (which was SN national trait, so they have lost out now), with proxy = a killer sub.     

  • Re : KM Type XXI

    08. 04. 2013 06:23


ruza3cz

Originally Posted by Zutokljunac

uk subs win km sub in ww2 lol top10 german commanders sunk more ships than whole uk submarine force

Look what Winston Churchill sayed Uk ldr tell all i dont nead to explain more listen hes words

Winston Churchill once wrote that, '... the only thing that ever really frightened me during the war was the U-boat peril'. In saying this, he correctly identified the importance of the threat posed during World War Two by German submarines (the 'Unterseeboot') to the Atlantic lifeline. This lifeline was Britain's 'centre of gravity' - the loss of which would probably have led to wholesale defeat in the war.

equipment from North America to Britain, the outcome of World War Two could have been radically different. Britain might have been starved into submission, and her armies would not have been equipped with American-built tanks and vehicles.

Moreover, if the Allies had not been able to move ships about the North Atlantic, it would have been impossible to project British and American land forces ashore in the Mediterranean theatres or on D-Day. Germany's best hope of defeating Britain lay in winning what Churchill christened the 'Battle of the Atlantic'.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/wwtwo/battle_atlantic_01.shtml 

If germans was more clever they will change enigma books before every u boat war patrol and germany will win war , on this way alied know all time where german uboats are 
Allied could read enigma in 1941 than germans put 4th rotor in enigma(1942) and was again in allied control from 1943 to the end of war

Many uboot crews lost thier life becouse high command didnt listen uboot commanders that allies read thier massages 


And for other nation subs 
Translate this seams like you dont understend english or you just troll around
UK ss5 is disaster but i dont play it and i dont care to search history facts for sub which i dont play let it do players which use it , i fight for ships which i use i dont have time for all

All real life facts for any nation have my bless but i will not waste my time to reserch it  

You have one serius problem and it is known as a propaganda to KM ships. You forggot some importnot fact, KM use and lost more subs then all Allied navy to gether. Yes Km subs sunk great amount of merchmant ship abaut 14.5 mil brt. But you dont ask ONE importnt question "Why ?" First the easiest answer is becase Allies have this amout of ships. From the ability to sung mechmant ships you think that KM sub is Uber and rest of world has useless sub. But tru is that typ VII and IX heve only one parameter excepional and this wad submerged depth. Rest of prarameres was avarege with all WWII sub. Ifg we look on KM sub first exceptional sub was type XXI and XXIII which was revulution subs in design as a full under water operation.

From last sentece i fell from you some ignorace and hoples pride on that all KM must be best. You have best renge on BB, best demage on fighterse best turnrate on all subs and you want also best demage per voley on sub ? May be you need to crete KMfield not Navy field.

It need osme time to found hov meny players will hate XXI and how many will love it. From the other coment XXI hate players who relay on back torpedos.

  • Re : KM Type XXI

    08. 04. 2013 13:28


SaseCaiBlele

uk subs win km sub in ww2 lol top10 german commanders sunk more ships than whole uk submarine force

give and me the name km comander who sunk 1 uk ss...

HMS Venturer sunk U-864  Type IX U-boat She also sank U-771

:))) so who was best ss hunter in rl ww2

On 6 February 1945, U-864 passed through the Fedje area without being detected, but on 9 February Venturer heard U-864's engine noise. Launders had decided not to use ASDIC since it would betray his position and spotted the U-boat's periscope as her captain looked for his escort. In an unusually long engagement for a submarine, and in a situation for which neither crew had been trained, Launders waited 45 minutes after first contact before going to action stations. Launders was waiting for U-864 to surface and thus present an easier target. Upon realising they were being followed by the British submarine and that their escort had still not arrived, U-864 zig-zagged underwater in attempted evasive manoeuvres, with each submarine occasionally risking raising her periscope.

Venturer had only eight torpedoes as opposed to the 22 carried by U-864. After three hours Launders decided to make a prediction of U-864's zig-zag, and released a spread of his torpedoes into its predicted course. This manual computation of a firing solution against a three-dimensionally manoeuvring target was the first occasion on which techniques were used and became the basis of modern computer-based torpedo targeting systems. Prior to this attack, no target had been sunk by torpedo where the firing ship had to consider the target's position in three dimensional terms, where the depth of the target was variable and not a fixed value. The computation thus differs fundamentally from those performed by analogue torpedo fire-control computers which regarded the target in strictly 2D terms with a constant depth determined by the target's draft.

The torpedoes were released in 17 second intervals beginning at 12:12, and all taking four minutes to reach their target. Launders then dived Venturer suddenly to evade any retaliation. U-864 heard the torpedoes coming, dived deeper, and turned away to avoid them. The first three torpedoes were avoided, but U-864 unknowingly steering into the path of the fourth. Exploding, U-864 split in two, and sank with all hands coming to rest more than 150 m (500 ft) below the surface.

She also sank U-771 on 11 November 1944 7 nautical miles (13 km) east of Andenes, Norway, off the Lofoten Islands.

  • Re : KM Type XXI

    08. 04. 2013 15:37


Kriegsmarin

Originally Posted by ruza3cz

Originally Posted by Zutokljunac

uk subs win km sub in ww2 lol top10 german commanders sunk more ships than whole uk submarine force

Look what Winston Churchill sayed Uk ldr tell all i dont nead to explain more listen hes words

Winston Churchill once wrote that, '... the only thing that ever really frightened me during the war was the U-boat peril'. In saying this, he correctly identified the importance of the threat posed during World War Two by German submarines (the 'Unterseeboot') to the Atlantic lifeline. This lifeline was Britain's 'centre of gravity' - the loss of which would probably have led to wholesale defeat in the war.

equipment from North America to Britain, the outcome of World War Two could have been radically different. Britain might have been starved into submission, and her armies would not have been equipped with American-built tanks and vehicles.

Moreover, if the Allies had not been able to move ships about the North Atlantic, it would have been impossible to project British and American land forces ashore in the Mediterranean theatres or on D-Day. Germany's best hope of defeating Britain lay in winning what Churchill christened the 'Battle of the Atlantic'.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/wwtwo/battle_atlantic_01.shtml 

If germans was more clever they will change enigma books before every u boat war patrol and germany will win war , on this way alied know all time where german uboats are 
Allied could read enigma in 1941 than germans put 4th rotor in enigma(1942) and was again in allied control from 1943 to the end of war

Many uboot crews lost thier life becouse high command didnt listen uboot commanders that allies read thier massages 


And for other nation subs 
Translate this seams like you dont understend english or you just troll around
UK ss5 is disaster but i dont play it and i dont care to search history facts for sub which i dont play let it do players which use it , i fight for ships which i use i dont have time for all

All real life facts for any nation have my bless but i will not waste my time to reserch it  

You have one serius problem and it is known as a propaganda to KM ships. You forggot some importnot fact, KM use and lost more subs then all Allied navy to gether. Yes Km subs sunk great amount of merchmant ship abaut 14.5 mil brt. But you dont ask ONE importnt question "Why ?" First the easiest answer is becase Allies have this amout of ships. From the ability to sung mechmant ships you think that KM sub is Uber and rest of world has useless sub. But tru is that typ VII and IX heve only one parameter excepional and this wad submerged depth. Rest of prarameres was avarege with all WWII sub. Ifg we look on KM sub first exceptional sub was type XXI and XXIII which was revulution subs in design as a full under water operation.

From last sentece i fell from you some ignorace and hoples pride on that all KM must be best. You have best renge on BB, best demage on fighterse best turnrate on all subs and you want also best demage per voley on sub ? May be you need to crete KMfield not Navy field.

It need osme time to found hov meny players will hate XXI and how many will love it. From the other coment XXI hate players who relay on back torpedos.



Yea germans lost many u boots becouse of enigma was broken sad true that german high command didnt realize that , all they neaded to do was to change cods before every uboat patrol

Whean allies didnt know enigma was 1939,1940 and 1942
1939 9uboats lost  166 ships hit by uboat
1940 24uboots lost 564 ship hit by uboat
1942 86uboats lost 1322 ship hit by uboat 

Whean allies knowed where uboats are
1941 35uboats lost 500ships hit
1943 243uboats lost 579ships hit
1944 249uboats lost 246ships hit
1945 120uboats lost 98ships hit

And also in 1943 and after so many loses come from inexperienced crews which was killed on first action in many % , or they didnt sunk single ship

About other things its clear to see that you turn around lot of words which zutok say
You just trolling around zutok didnt say km subs must be uber , zutok say its facts about agility in other words if you have small sub and low number of tubes your submarine turns great 
Km have more adventages and you say
"But tru is that typ VII and IX heve only one parameter excepional and this wad submerged depth" Only lol do you know what is underwater pressure , if some sub go like uboat 250m and allied 100m can you emagine how much stronger the hull of that uboat is , seams you cant

Dont have time for you 2 trols alwayes same 2 ID trolling and lieing about history

Bye trols 

  • Re : KM Type XXI

    08. 04. 2013 15:52


Kriegsmarin

Originally Posted by SaseCaiBlele

uk subs win km sub in ww2 lol top10 german commanders sunk more ships than whole uk submarine force

give and me the name km comander who sunk 1 uk ss...

HMS Venturer sunk U-864  Type IX U-boat She also sank U-771

:))) so who was best ss hunter in rl ww2

On 6 February 1945, U-864 passed through the Fedje area without being detected, but on 9 February Venturer heard U-864's engine noise. Launders had decided not to use ASDIC since it would betray his position and spotted the U-boat's periscope as her captain looked for his escort. In an unusually long engagement for a submarine, and in a situation for which neither crew had been trained, Launders waited 45 minutes after first contact before going to action stations. Launders was waiting for U-864 to surface and thus present an easier target. Upon realising they were being followed by the British submarine and that their escort had still not arrived, U-864 zig-zagged underwater in attempted evasive manoeuvres, with each submarine occasionally risking raising her periscope.

Venturer had only eight torpedoes as opposed to the 22 carried by U-864. After three hours Launders decided to make a prediction of U-864's zig-zag, and released a spread of his torpedoes into its predicted course. This manual computation of a firing solution against a three-dimensionally manoeuvring target was the first occasion on which techniques were used and became the basis of modern computer-based torpedo targeting systems. Prior to this attack, no target had been sunk by torpedo where the firing ship had to consider the target's position in three dimensional terms, where the depth of the target was variable and not a fixed value. The computation thus differs fundamentally from those performed by analogue torpedo fire-control computers which regarded the target in strictly 2D terms with a constant depth determined by the target's draft.

The torpedoes were released in 17 second intervals beginning at 12:12, and all taking four minutes to reach their target. Launders then dived Venturer suddenly to evade any retaliation. U-864 heard the torpedoes coming, dived deeper, and turned away to avoid them. The first three torpedoes were avoided, but U-864 unknowingly steering into the path of the fourth. Exploding, U-864 split in two, and sank with all hands coming to rest more than 150 m (500 ft) below the surface.

She also sank U-771 on 11 November 1944 7 nautical miles (13 km) east of Andenes, Norway, off the Lofoten Islands.



I will give you 2

HMS Spearfish sunk by U-34 Wihelm Rollmann

At 19.04 hours on 1 Aug, 1940, HMS Spearfish (N 69) (LtCdr J.H. Forbes, DSO, RN) was hit in the forepart by one torpedo from U-34 and sank immediately about 180 miles west-southwest of Stavanger. The U-boat was returning from its last patrol as a combat boat and only had one torpedo remaining, when they first spotted a periscope at 18.17 hours and dived. At 18.48 hours, the conning tower of the British submarine became visible and Rollmann fired the last torpedo over the bow. One minute after the hit, the Germans surfaced and approached the sinking position where they picked up the sole survivor Able Seaman William V. Pester (on his first patrol) and took him as prisoner to Wilhelmshaven. The commander, four officers and 36 ratings were lost. 

HMS p-615 sunk by U-123 Horst von Schroeter

On 17 Apr, 1943, HMS P-615 (Lt C.W.St.C. Lambert, DSC and Bar, RN) left Freetown under escort by the British minesweeper HMS MMS-107 (J 607) (Skipper H.J. Craven) on passage to the South Atlantic Command to provide A/S escort training. During the night they lost contact but found each other the next morning. U-123 spotted both vessels at 03.44 hours and missed them with two spreads of two torpedoes at 05.34 and 06.47 hours, one of the torpedo tracks was sighted by the escort, but was put down to a porpoise. At 11.01 hours, a merchant vessel was sighted and at 11.53 hours the U-boat fired one torpedo at the minesweeper on station about 300 yards off the submarine´s starboard quarter, but missed. At 11.54 hours, a spread of two torpedoes was fired at the submarine, which was hit by one of them on the starboard side, exploded and sank immediately about 100 miles southwest of Freetown. The commander, four officers and 39 ratings were lost.
At 12.39 hours, U-123 torpedoed the Empire Bruce and left the area after sinking her with two coups de grâce. The minesweeper picked up the survivors and returned to Freetown.

About german top ten

1.Otto Kretschmer 47ships sunk 274,418t 5 ships damaged 37,965t(U-23 IIB(97 days),U-99 VIIB(127 days)) 224 days at sea

2.Wolfgang Luth 47ships sunk 225,756t 2 ships damaged 17,343t (U-9 IIB(72 days),U-138 IID(29 days),U-43 IX(204 days),U-181IXD2(335 days) 640 days at sea

3.Erich Topp 36ships sunk 198,650t 4 ships damaged 32,317t (U-57 IIC(44 days),U-552 VIIC(308 days)) 352 days at sea

4.Gunter Prien 31ships sunk 191,919t 8 ships damaged 62,751(U-47 VIIB) 238 days at sea Unknow reason missing from 7march1941

5.Heinrich Liebe 34ships sunk 187,267t 1 ship damaged 3,670t (U-38 IX) 333 days at sea

6.Viktor Schutze 35ships sunk 180,073t 2 ships damaged 14,213t (U-25 IA(105 days),U-103 IXB(201 days)) 306 days at sea

7.Heinrich Lehmann-Willenbrock 25ships sunk 179,125t 2 ships damaged 15,864t (U-5 IIA(16 days),U-96 VIIC(267 days),U-256 VIIC(44 days)) 327 days at sea

8.Karl-Friedrich Merten 27ships sunk 170,151t (U-68 IXC) 368 days at sea

9.Herbert Schultze 26ships sunk 169,709t 1 ship damaged 9,456t (U-48 VIIB) 227 days at sea

10.Werner Henke 25ships sunk 157,064t (U-515*IXC) 341 days at sea Henke was shot and killed while attempting to escape from the interrogation center at Ft. Hunt,Virginia on15June1944 

no one from top ten was killed by allied forces in hes uboat

Give me best uk sub commander and how many GRT tons he sunk ? lol

Dont forget german uboats didnt have orders to destroy enemy warships like SS,FF,DD that was considered usless torpeds lost. however german uboats sunk or dmg 257 warships  some of theam was major warships like BB,CV,CA,CL but most of tham was destroyed under conwoy attack see it alone, check this link http://www.uboat.net/allies/merchants/

  • Re : KM Type XXI

    08. 04. 2013 21:22


HBlitz

I read some of the last post. The history part are unnecesary, because This is a Simulation Game. (There are ships of any kind that never exist)

Some member said important things. I know that there a lot of people don't be agree with this, but the point is that KM ships, submarine and planes was very good, in some aspects the best. One thing that the history teach us is that Wars win the people, the armament and the strategies together. 

As other said the germans have a lot of mistakes as enigma code and the British have good points as the sonar. This two thing change the history of this two nations. Also remember that USA have a big roll in this war.

 

However I said that the KM Submarines in the game have torpedo laucher in proa and popa, change this isn't a good idea. And there are many player that don't like it. Think about it 

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