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50% exp penalty for BB's if you don't run a scout
12. 31. 2011 13:02
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ljsevern
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Obviously the RU BB1 and UK Nelson should be coded as exceptions.
While its funny watching a player with no scout begging for sight, its sad and is leaching in my opinion.
I would also support BB's being required to run a scout.
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Re : 50% exp penalty if you don't run a scout as a BB
01. 16. 2012 17:13
joshmon999
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Originally Posted by mkzblaster
Well clearly I am a selfish player but that really has nothing to do with the scout... I run my scouts as best as I can and always try to be ready to send another one. But I'm still against this as it really doesn't help. I mean what do you really expect this to do? Anyone who sends their scout in the middle at 100 will have it AA'ed before it can really show anything. If you really wanted to fix the sight "problem" make AA harder and less powerful. But I think messing with the game is only going hurt; why not just fix and patch. If Sde is going to make a new nf then let them focus on that, rather then fight issues that are moot
I'm no rocket surgeon, but it seems like the solution to that one is "don't send them right up the middle at 100" that might stop that particular problem. For a BB, ESPECIALLY BB1-3 you're trying to find ways to help the fight, and having a scout ready, but not launched, is a HUGE step in the right direction. Then you can have at least a tiny bit of sight until the next CV wave comes in. I never just launch my scout, unless it is the very beginning. And if you aren't on the line, or are holding back, why not put up a scout? I would much rather have my neighbor in the line able to help me see , since a tiny amount of repair increase rarely seemns to make such a pivotal contribution to the overall battle. That's it, I am out. Like my first post said, this is a waste of time, selfish people are just selfish, but noone who is selfish wants to admit it, so they try to spin it this way and that, but they won't stop being selfish, and rarely admit it. It's just a character flaw that many, many people have, and we certainly aren't going to solve it here.
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Re : 50% exp penalty if you don't run a scout as a BB
01. 16. 2012 17:35
mkzblaster
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I said the "in the middle at a 100" in response to some one saying it earlier but to your little rep or oh did you ever think that maybe 100 sd might be useful? my Ebve h39 crew is at 840 sd i have atleast 130 vets on everyone minus the scout and they are fully experted but 840 sd is what i have.. if i drop my scout for another engi I get full sd and OH meaning that i could take a hit a lot better and even being able to atleast take one more shot that I might not be able to with 60 less SD means I can sink the ship that kills me but like I said I ALWAYS run my scouts on my bbs mostly due to needing to level them to get the 120 scout when I do get to bb6. And isn't that a punishment in its self? 120 for the last scout means that most us of want to run our scouts all the time and keep it at pace with the bo just to not be a "noob" bb6 without 120 scout...
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Re : 50% exp penalty if you don't run a scout as a BB
01. 17. 2012 00:08
ljsevern
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Originally Posted by mkzblaster
Originally Posted by ljsevern
Originally Posted by mkzblaster
50% is way to high... and suggesting players to use a scout is one thing, forcing them is another. Navyfield is barely limping by with the events as it is; but to make more players unhappy to please a few is just stupid. This really wouldn't help game play as many bb that have scouts don't launch them as it is now. So what 50% for not have one, 25% for not launching one?
It doesn't force them. It will make the majority of players happy (see the BB scout poll). And feel free to prove that BB's don't launch their scouts. If they have a scout on board, they will use them.
I know that I dont launch scouts when A) im fighter camped B) have sight and dont notice my scout is down C)Im to busy fighting other bb's and AA bombers. I play the SY with 8 scouts and some games i come out with 8 still on board others I dont have any left and yes running a 50% exp penalty is pretty much forcing them. If it was 10% maybe 15% that might be okay but think about it as a maximum of 50K a game with 200k attack... Also as long as we on the topic why don't we make cv's take a 50% exp penalty for not running fighters....? One fail bb dont cost a team the game but one fail cv can. This is just a huge waste of time because good players can play without sight going by where the enemy is shooting from. There are also players that players that rush in and play within their on sight range so again should they lose exp for not launching a scout but at the same time providing better sight then said scout...? Your idea is full of holes that cant be easily fixed. It would be one thing if it was 70% 80% 90% of people wanting this. but its at the most 60% I cant seem to find the old poll your talking about but do vaguely remember it and that after it was done sde did nothing about it and even that only had a slight majority. Do you think that IF 30% of players didnt like this and 10% of said 30% left that it would "enhance" the game enough to bring atleast that many New players to fill the loses?
My idea isn't full of holes whatsoever. It is pretty simple. A good BB player always runs a scout. Just like in competitive gameplay. It is not a huge waste of time. And any good player will tell you they would rather play with a scout than without one. And any player that rushes in and plays within their ships sight range should really learn how to play the game. The only "hole" in my idea is that bad players will be punished and forced to become slightly better. I seriously doubt that anyone would leave the game over this, and if anyone did, then we wouldn't be losing much.
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Re : 50% exp penalty if you don't run a scout as a BB
01. 17. 2012 00:09
ljsevern
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Originally Posted by LexCordine
Originally Posted by ljsevern
In shared exp game modes, you gain exp for what your teammates do. Therefore, you should be scouting if you are able to.
I'm not sure if scouting is, in any cases, better for the whole team than, for example, faster repairing of one of the major ships. People should be able to find that out on their own without some kind of penalties.
It is in every case. Faster repair is useless if you can't see a thing. No ship can repair fast enough to be able to ignore rushing BB fire.
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Re : 50% exp penalty if you don't run a scout as a BB
01. 17. 2012 00:12
ljsevern
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Originally Posted by mkzblaster
Well clearly I am a selfish player but that really has nothing to do with the scout... I run my scouts as best as I can and always try to be ready to send another one. But I'm still against this as it really doesn't help. I mean what do you really expect this to do? Anyone who sends their scout in the middle at 100 will have it AA'ed before it can really show anything. If you really wanted to fix the sight "problem" make AA harder and less powerful. But I think messing with the game is only going hurt; why not just fix and patch. If Sde is going to make a new nf then let them focus on that, rather then fight issues that are moot
Focusing on a new NF without supporting this NF would be a crazy move by SDE, because this is a proven and reliable source of income. You don't cut off income to risk it on a completely new game. There is nothing wrong with AA, people will just eventually learn to lower their scout; Hopefully when the exp gain for scouting is introduced.
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Re : 50% exp penalty if you don't run a scout as a BB
01. 17. 2012 06:18
mkzblaster
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I didn't say drop this game... I said just fix and patch and work more on a new game.
Also your stating your bias against players that dont play in the normal bb line style. I have seen may players in small, fast, ships change games with their rushing. They can get within sight range of bigger bb when they have a team that pushes with them and keeps the big ones attention. and again maybe some don't run a scout for extra sd. Your stating a problem with players not running scouts but excluding cl's and ca's your asking for a ridicules exp penalty, your punishing one player group that don't already run a scout. I remember playing without a scout for awhile when I got my first bb and i was hardly harassed by players whining about it. The players should just get over what others do and focus on yourselves. I dont care to much when scoutless bb comes in my room, I dont care if bw cv comes in my room. what bugs me is people whining about it. I sink bb's without sight, its harder but isnt that part of the game? It used to be fun to see if we could sink someone without sight. Also if you were to put this in place what would stop bb6's from not running scouts? I have seen it as much as other bbs. The exp penalty won't work on someone getting 0 xp anyway.
You idea has flaws that you and others have pointed out, I think that instead of asking for a bound to be failure of a patch why not stop wasting time?
I think that could see people leaving the game other this, maybe someone who doesn't understand the game completely and gets his first bb to only get a maximum of 5k exp a game. Instead of getting rules and such in place to hurt noobs why not start training room and get new players who want to learn something and teach them. Get you clan and your server running server wide bb training or cv training? I know that I was a really lucky player to get desolate to not once but many times explain to me why to do something one way and not the other and to also Show me.
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Re : 50% exp penalty if you don't run a scout as a BB
01. 17. 2012 06:52
PepeLeBou
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I do not agree, if it was by mistake or a bug, should not be punished, as unfortunately there is no way to discriminate because it has scout, can not be penalized.
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Re : 50% exp penalty if you don't run a scout as a BB
01. 17. 2012 08:13
ljsevern
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Originally Posted by mkzblaster
I didn't say drop this game... I said just fix and patch and work more on a new game.
Also your stating your bias against players that dont play in the normal bb line style. I have seen may players in small, fast, ships change games with their rushing. They can get within sight range of bigger bb when they have a team that pushes with them and keeps the big ones attention. and again maybe some don't run a scout for extra sd. Your stating a problem with players not running scouts but excluding cl's and ca's your asking for a ridicules exp penalty, your punishing one player group that don't already run a scout. I remember playing without a scout for awhile when I got my first bb and i was hardly harassed by players whining about it. The players should just get over what others do and focus on yourselves. I dont care to much when scoutless bb comes in my room, I dont care if bw cv comes in my room. what bugs me is people whining about it. I sink bb's without sight, its harder but isnt that part of the game? It used to be fun to see if we could sink someone without sight. Also if you were to put this in place what would stop bb6's from not running scouts? I have seen it as much as other bbs. The exp penalty won't work on someone getting 0 xp anyway.
You idea has flaws that you and others have pointed out, I think that instead of asking for a bound to be failure of a patch why not stop wasting time?
I think that could see people leaving the game other this, maybe someone who doesn't understand the game completely and gets his first bb to only get a maximum of 5k exp a game. Instead of getting rules and such in place to hurt noobs why not start training room and get new players who want to learn something and teach them. Get you clan and your server running server wide bb training or cv training? I know that I was a really lucky player to get desolate to not once but many times explain to me why to do something one way and not the other and to also Show me.
No, I am stating my bias at players that have no idea how to play. BB Gun range is WAY above ship sight range. BB1's get far more than 5k exp a game. That is if they run a scout and can see things to shoot at. I do plenty of training, I have written plenty of guides. The exp system should be designed to improve players and encourage team actions. And getting advice from Desolate? Ok. Lol.
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Re : 50% exp penalty if you don't run a scout as a BB
01. 17. 2012 08:14
ljsevern
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Originally Posted by PepeLeBou
I do not agree, if it was by mistake or a bug, should not be punished, as unfortunately there is no way to discriminate because it has scout, can not be penalized.
I've never had a bug where I can't put a scout on a BB. And if someone forgets their scout, then they should have a penalty.
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Re : 50% exp penalty if you don't run a scout as a BB
01. 17. 2012 08:19
ciscodelorum
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I am aware that not supporting this makes me a "Selfish Noob" and someone who will never make it in
"Competitive Gameplay". But this is just a step in the wrong direction. Try something like rewarding XP/Credits for scouting, not taking it if you don't!
PS: "While its funny watching a player with no scout begging for sight, its sad and is leaching in my opinion." Wrong. The requirements to be a "Leacher" in NavyFAIL cannot be decided by ANY player (Sorry, even you Rehor.)
It has a fixed definition: Ship does not participate in the battle.
Even if the ship hangs back during a fight, it's not leaching, its simply his/her gameplay style.
Call me a "Selfish Noob" and say I'm wrong all you want.
All it will do is make me grind a French BW on Nebraska...Just to bomb...You....
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