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  • 50% exp penalty for BB's if you don't run a scout

    12. 31. 2011 13:02

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ljsevern

Obviously the RU BB1 and UK Nelson should be coded as exceptions.

While its funny watching a player with no scout begging for sight, its sad and is leaching in my opinion.

I would also support BB's being required to run a scout. 

 

  • Re : 50% exp penalty if you don't run a scout as a BB

    01. 17. 2012 08:44


ljsevern
Originally Posted by ciscodelorum

I am aware that not supporting this makes me a "Selfish Noob" and someone who will never make it in
"Competitive Gameplay". But this is just a step in the wrong direction. Try something like rewarding XP/Credits for scouting, not taking it if you don't!

PS: "While its funny watching a player with no scout begging for sight, its sad and is leaching in my opinion." Wrong. The requirements to be a "Leacher" in NavyFAIL cannot be decided by ANY player (Sorry, even you Rehor.)

It has a fixed definition: Ship does not participate in the battle.

Even if the ship hangs back during a fight, it's not leaching, its simply his/her gameplay style.


Call me a "Selfish Noob" and say I'm wrong all you want.
All it will do is make me grind a French BW on Nebraska...Just to bomb...You....


Leaching Sight is a form of leaching.

Feel free to come level a french bomber whore on Nebraska just to bomb me. Fighters > Bombers.

And while I would prefer having exp for scouting, this would be a patch to encourage players to put one on their ship.

  • Re : 50% exp penalty if you don't run a scout as a BB

    01. 17. 2012 15:30


Executeur

like same as ***, if ur scout enemy and enemy goes kill = ur get score.

that methode is better.
People will use that for extra exp by cv and scouts.

*Edited game name - Ny* 

  • Re : 50% exp penalty if you don't run a scout as a BB

    01. 17. 2012 16:40


BernardHenri
100k? What an achievement!
Weird, I almost never fire under 20 degrees in a BB.
That being said, you don't think not putting a scout on a BB is a "noob" gameplay?

  • Re : 50% exp penalty if you don't run a scout as a BB

    01. 17. 2012 17:05


mkzblaster
Originally Posted by BernardHenri

100k? What an achievement!
Weird, I almost never fire under 20 degrees in a BB.
That being said, you don't think not putting a scout on a BB is a "noob" gameplay?


It was uk pbb and im a major noob with uk atm so I mostly wait for a good time and rush. But I have had many sightless games where bb5's wonder into eachother and that always for my sy starts at 20 mostly ends by 12 (night battle back for the game type event had a lot of this)

Also I would like to say for the 2nd or 3rd time that I Always run my scout since the first bb1 i got. But my point is that 50% is WAY to high and I rather like the idea of get 10% 15% More for running a scout. But I have seen players go for an extra rep or eng on their at level bb1-2-3 and be worth more to the team for it. I mean if you get 200 more sd without a scout that makes a big difference to you at least and can help you live long enough to hit a higher level bb.

Most of my lower level bb grinds go with me AA'ing which is fine by me but its hard to really but a damage dealer with bb5's (like me) shooting Everything that moves within my range. Now if your patent and quick you can rush when they are blind and get some nice hits but most of the time you get 1 -2 shotted anyway.

That is a side point and what i really disagree with is the idea that there is only one way to play or your a total noob.
I mean atleast CV's can pretty much do whatever they want planewise but with ideas like this the next step would be to say all cv's must have fighters... Now Again I have a cv3 which im not the best with but Im trying and i run mostly fighters but its the idea that if you dont get in line and follow the standard that the majority set then you are a noob and need to be punished!

Sorry for my terrible spelling and grammar, I'm not the best at typing and even worst at proofreading

  • Re : 50% exp penalty if you don't run a scout as a BB

    01. 17. 2012 17:28


BernardHenri
So you are pushing/rushing or even holding the line blind in a BB5 ? :0

I'm not saying I'm right, but I disagree with the fact that 200 more SD is better than a scout. Assuming one support adds 200 SD at BB2-3 levels ... If you are blind, out-ranged, out-damaged, you could have 900 SD it wouldn't change a thing.

Plus you can rarely sink BB5+ in a BB2, but your teammates in their BB5 can if they have sight. And your scout on your low lvl BB might do the trick!


Don't get me wrong, I hate the idea that there is only one way to play. If you wanna go BW, do it. If you don't want to put AA on your HXX/SY, it's ok!

Plus I hate the fact that when my scouts get shot down, I'm blind. Do I have teammates with scouts on board??!!

So yeah, maybe 50% xp penalty may not be the best solution, but it may be better than nothing

  • Re : 50% exp penalty if you don't run a scout as a BB

    01. 17. 2012 17:35


mkzblaster
when im completely without sight I move slowly back but at times have had both sides without and run into an L2 who is pushing in.
As for 200 sd from a support, again not 100% sure but ebve res at level 70 might get you somewhere in the ballpark.

And I hate to say it but i have been killed many times but multiple lower level bb when playing my SY. All it takes some times is just that little head start they can get sometimes and then there are 4 bb2-3 shooting me. If I can one shot them then no big deal but if it takes 2 shots then im going to get killed.

And this is one thing you can't control but my fleetmates and I have games where my buddy cv and provide all the sight I could ever need without me sending one scout.

I still say that you SHOULD run a scout but not that If you want 100% exp you HAVE to run it.

  • Re : 50% exp penalty if you don't run a scout as a BB

    01. 17. 2012 17:59


Obergrattler
Brainless clutching at straws. recommended

  • Re : 50% exp penalty if you don't run a scout as a BB

    01. 18. 2012 12:58


mkzblaster
Well, way to bring up posts from other places...(I have had fleet leader access for long time only recently thought about posting on it) As for The point im trying to make is that IF you had played this game with NO input from other players it is not only common but easy to end up with a bb without a scout. Most "New" players might not even notice the lack of Xp and the need for a scout. The game doesn't really go in to much detail unless you really read the forums and new guides they have put up. Now again its not a huge sample of players but it's the one I think most important "NEW" people. So I say make it 10% 15% Boost for players to have a scout and you will not only have people( like me) Rec this but you will also get players to level and add scouts simply to get the slight xp boost. So Again I'm against any MAJOR nerf of xp, even if it wouldn't ill affect me. It took me a long time to really even get to a point where I knew what was going on with this game. I mean from first look to understanding some of the complexities. Like sailor base, vet rates, ability, and True ability, advantages of leaving fighters at ace or not, leaving sonarmen as support, SD, How to level IJN aa gunners, what landing force and airlift do, medics, ON and on.... This is where Desolate who was NOT in our fleet but in Ti came on our ts and explain everything for us, anything we asked desolate or a lot of other Ti members helped us with. So Rather then put a potentiality Harmful patch in why not put a well deserving xp boost and help new players further their understanding of the game and help them see why they should run their scout.

Last post on this at it is clearly getting WAY off topic and has been a little heated on both sides I think.

  • Re : 50% exp penalty if you don't run a scout as a BB

    01. 18. 2012 13:25


ljsevern
Originally Posted by mkzblaster

Well, way to bring up posts from other places...(I have had fleet leader access for long time only recently thought about posting on it) As for The point im trying to make is that IF you had played this game with NO input from other players it is not only common but easy to end up with a bb without a scout. Most "New" players might not even notice the lack of Xp and the need for a scout. The game doesn't really go in to much detail unless you really read the forums and new guides they have put up. Now again its not a huge sample of players but it's the one I think most important "NEW" people. So I say make it 10% 15% Boost for players to have a scout and you will not only have people( like me) Rec this but you will also get players to level and add scouts simply to get the slight xp boost. So Again I'm against any MAJOR nerf of xp, even if it wouldn't ill affect me. It took me a long time to really even get to a point where I knew what was going on with this game. I mean from first look to understanding some of the complexities. Like sailor base, vet rates, ability, and True ability, advantages of leaving fighters at ace or not, leaving sonarmen as support, SD, How to level IJN aa gunners, what landing force and airlift do, medics, ON and on.... This is where Desolate who was NOT in our fleet but in Ti came on our ts and explain everything for us, anything we asked desolate or a lot of other Ti members helped us with. So Rather then put a potentiality Harmful patch in why not put a well deserving xp boost and help new players further their understanding of the game and help them see why they should run their scout.

Last post on this at it is clearly getting WAY off topic and has been a little heated on both sides I think.


It isn't heated at all on my side.

Most new players will notice the lack of exp as if you had read this whole thread, it was discussed that a warning would be put up.

And exp is already stupidly high, why boost it even more?!?!

And if it took you a long time to get to grips with the game... then you should have read up more.

This patch wouldn't be potentially harmful, it would teach players via the only way that people pay attention. We don't want another raise in the exp rate which is already stupidly high.

And if you never read the guides on those subjects and had to have "the great" Desolate come tell you about them, then I really think there is nothing more you need to add.

  • Re : 50% exp penalty if you don't run a scout as a BB

    01. 18. 2012 13:43


mkzblaster
well i guess I lied as I won't let it stand that I respect a player, that helped me so much, made to look like an arse. This is a GAME i should be able to pick it up and PLAY not sit here and read for hours about different things to simply have enough understanding to not ruin a crew. I won't disagree with the xp being high but again cut its so much when the few who might pick it up and play drop it for stupid things like this. You seem to like to post things that many won't like and fight as if it was a matter of life or death. You need to pick battles you can win( like the forum idea) and focus on them. There was already the poll you mentioned that did not incite a change in the game. so why bring back an idea that was tried once to be passed and failed. I think that you should work on things like test server and balancing or the fighters/ scouts, where it was that you spend most of you time and let small things like this be dropped.

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