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  • Borderhumping? Yes or No?

    10. 30. 2011 02:23


Maistral
I'm actually not sure with this one, so I'm leaving you guys to answer this. I only need a YES or a NO though.

Are you borderhumping planes when your planes are approx. 1 inch away from the border? YES or NO?

 

  • Re : Borderhumping? Yes or No?

    10. 31. 2011 11:45


aingeal
Originally Posted by Yiweno

No. Period. Stop boarderhumping


Read.


Close to the border, not past. Actually, with that logic pushed to the extreme we could call border humping anything that wasn't middle-map.


I'd like to suggest this definition for border humping:


-Any players that operates a ship or plane squadron in a way to uses map graphic limitation, and/or minimap display limits, to limit detection and/or attack possibilities by the enemy.


Key word here : Map graphic Limitation.

This includes, planes sprite, ship sprites and radar appeareance if detected visually, plane shadows etc.

And this mean it needs to be using the fact NF maps "cut" and in other place go "beyond" the screen to avoid detection or shoot down. Same for a ship, that if I'm not mistaken, can be totally hidden north or nearly, without being off map as far as the game engine is concerned.


Let it be clear borderhumping comes from the difference there is with the true map limits, and the visual map limits. Using that zone to your advantage is border humping. If that zone isn't concerned, its not.

Period.

  • Re : Borderhumping? Yes or No?

    10. 31. 2011 13:05


Nephalem
Originally Posted by ljsevern

Originally Posted by Splid

*sigh*

Why are people so unable to understand a simple concept?

If a plane is NOT visible (shadow doesn't count) through the normal viewing of Navyfield it is considered borderhumping.

This includes the zoomed out version, something which can be seen when zoomed out but not when zoomed in is NOT considered border humping.

If a plane is visible when the HUD is lowered but not visible when the HUD is raised this is ALSO border humping. The game is required to be played with the HUD up, and as such using it to hide planes is clearly exploiting the game for your benefit.

This isn't a hard concept to grasp, if the plane is not visible on the screen and you are zoomed out, it is border humping... Shadows DO NOT count.


This. I would add that the Shadows and Planes need to be visable, not just the planes. Why?

You need the plane to judge the height, and the shadow to judge where to aim.

/thread

  • Re : Borderhumping? Yes or No?

    11. 05. 2011 18:56


PortGlasgow
Very misguiding thread...

Is border humping against the rules?

Accoring to TNF Mod Pathfinder19 - no, perfectly acceptable tactic

Reading this thread I got the strong impression this tactic was not allowed

  • Re : Borderhumping? Yes or No?

    11. 05. 2011 19:29


bloodsky
Legal (except HA or FL) but very, very frowned upon by players.

  • Re : Borderhumping? Yes or No?

    11. 05. 2011 21:56


ljsevern
Originally Posted by PortGlasgow

Very misguiding thread...

Is border humping against the rules?

Accoring to TNF Mod Pathfinder19 - no, perfectly acceptable tactic

Reading this thread I got the strong impression this tactic was not allowed


I don't see why it isn't so hard to hand out bans if a conclusive fraps/series of screenshots is provided.

If I have AA equipped and I hear planes on the border, its AA time. I can't tell if they are friendly. Even if I saw them come from my friendly CV and travel up there. I also warn the room that there are border humped bombers and warn the direction. I have no idea if they are friendly or not because I can't see them.

If you can't bomber whore properly in GB in a CV and have to border hump, then it really shows how bad you are at the game. It won't get you anywhere but a nice juicy disconnect and even DQ's/banning from the Fleet league if you do it there, so you should actually learn to play fair in GB. Just send the bombers up the middle, even I can do it stupidly easily. It isn't hard.

  • Re : Borderhumping? Yes or No?

    11. 06. 2011 03:35


Splid
Originally Posted by PortGlasgow

Very misguiding thread...

Is border humping against the rules?

Accoring to TNF Mod Pathfinder19 - no, perfectly acceptable tactic

Reading this thread I got the strong impression this tactic was not allowed


Thank You God.

I was just waiting for "the guy" who never bothers to read the thread properly to arrive and now you have.

At no point did the people who know what they are talking about suggest that Border Humping is against the Server Rules. We simply stated WHAT border humping is. This is the exact problem that I mentioned earlier, someone doesn't read the thread properly, runs to a MOD and the MOD (through no fault of his own) gets caught up in a discussion that hasn't even occured and gets brought in on the side of the guy who can't read...

IF this thread was about whether border humping is legal or illegal you would have found that the answer would be that for the Server Rules (excluding HA) it is NOT illegal. For the HA rules, they specifically state that BorderHumping CANNOT be illegal. For Fleet Wars, this is down to the individual fleet war, reading each ruleset will give you the answer.

This happens every time... Why oh why oh why?

  • Re : Borderhumping? Yes or No?

    11. 06. 2011 03:58


miet_
if you see shadow and plane at the same time it's not border humping :-)

  • Re : Borderhumping? Yes or No?

    11. 06. 2011 04:42


PortGlasgow
Originally Posted by Splid

Originally Posted by PortGlasgow

Very misguiding thread...

Is border humping against the rules?

Accoring to TNF Mod Pathfinder19 - no, perfectly acceptable tactic

Reading this thread I got the strong impression this tactic was not allowed


Thank You God.

I was just waiting for the guy who never bothers to read the thread properly to arrive and now you have.

At no point did the people who know what they are talking about suggest that Border Humping is against the Server Rules. We simply stated WHAT border humping is. This is the exact problem that I mentioned earlier, someone doesn't read the thread properly, runs to a MOD and the MOD (through no fault of his own) gets caught up in a discussion that hasn't even occured and gets brought in on the side of the guy who can't read...

IF this thread was about whether border humping is legal or illegal you would have found that the answer would be that for the Server Rules (excluding HA) it is NOT illegal. For the HA rules, they specifically state that BorderHumping CANNOT be illegal. For Fleet Wars, this is down to the individual fleet war, reading each ruleset will give you the answer.

This happens every time... Why oh why oh why?


Thanks for the highly charged emotional response Splid, as composed as a clown running through a minefield.

In reference to the thread, I've read it from start to finish, the concept of border humping was new to me, before this thread, as a non cv player, I wouldn't have even recognised the tactic as anything more than sneaky.

The comments you provided and others, which I wholeheartedly agree with, gave the impression it wasn't just an opinion rather an exploit of the game. My apologies, i've never read a rule book of any online game, the only players who examine rules are either trying to circumvent or punish others.

The vast majority will pick up rules either ingame or through normal threads like this one, the definition of border humping has been nailed down but lets be clear to new players, its a sneaky tactic but completely legal.

@Ijsevern, I completely agree, it happened to me in a server with the mod - Pathfinder19 in attendance, I can only assume he witnessed the CV player doing it, but as bloodsky confirmed its a completely legal tactic so no action taken.
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  • Re : Borderhumping? Yes or No?

    11. 06. 2011 05:00


Monarch
Boarder humping: http://oi40.tinypic.com/2i94e3b.jpg

Not Boarder humping: http://oi41.tinypic.com/2poqx5x.jpg

  • Re : Borderhumping? Yes or No?

    11. 06. 2011 05:19


Splid
Originally Posted by PortGlasgow

Thanks for the highly charged emotional response Splid, as composed as a clown running through a minefield.


Learn to Read. You had a whole thread to read, and you decided to take it upon yourself to NOT read the server rules or any other rules and then start making assumptions about what is being said... I have to say, that is a Grade A for how to play Navyfield. No clue, no intention of getting a clue, why don't you just put in an application to 1stSSF and get it over with?

**EDIT: Bah, that bit was changed >.>


You even concede you are unaware of the existance of border humping, yet don't post in the thread asking for clarification? But maybe I am expecting too much for someone to know the difference between a discussion on WHAT something is, and whether it is legal... Those two things are such a close distinction I have trouble understanding it sometimes myself, but those helpful little things called words make it a lot easier for me when I read them. I apologise for my comments, your mistake was an easy one for someone unable to comprehend the English language therefore I must be wrong.

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