a FF hiting a Sub should sink it, is that simple enuf? it's simple logic, wich we all know
SDE doesn't understand.

1 - read all thread, ASW nerf was suggest several times, eaven the dmg they do to
surface ships, P.HH's where suggested to be seriuslly nerfed as it was suggested
there removal.

2 - I did or I do play a sub if I'm uterlly bored, and yes I DO have a T4 sub just FYI

3 - subs are not fine as they are, T5 or T6 is gona sink a BB/CV & in 2 torps...and
thats fine for you? lol epic...let me guess T5 is gona have 45 OH and T6 50 OH....

mock my words, once T5 and T6 subs come....in fallowing 2 weeks, your gona see a
decresse in player base, good luck playing a game with 50 other ppl, instead of 500
others.

simple fact is, balance is needed for EVERYTHING, eaven your preceous subs simple
as that, FYI that includes ASW, I never said ASW is fine, I acctually said it should be
nerfed the same time subs are, IMO.

cheers
Megadone

Just because you like to play surface ships all the time doesnt mean, submarines need a
nerf. Im having the feeling, you still dont like the idea that submarines were
implemented, and you want the submarine to be nerf to the extreme, that in a future they
cant do anything significant to Main ships.


Only because, there is good players, you call us "Overpowered"

and submarines players that are real bad, you calll them Noob.

No, submarines doesnt need any more nerf, "defesinvely" they are very weak atm, there is a
balance, you are strong in torps but you are also very weak in defense.

Now tellme, you complaint most of the time about the subs, but what about a ASW killing a
monty with some salvos, and nobody says anything about? only because its a surface ships too?

why would you nerf something, that has been nerfed multiple time and the ASW none?

and believe me, if SS5 SS6 ARE implementd, THE hh and Dc will be also increased in dmg. AT
the current dmg, you can kill SS6 with one full salvo with Premium HH's and serverly dmg
with non=PHH.

Some weeks ago, i saw BB's and CV's fighting against each other with "HH" and eventually
they Die with full health. Now you tell me, they are not overpowered?

AND BTW about the air, FYI, it was due to compesate the ability to take dmg nerf, not
because of the smokes.

Humberto20 wrote:

*Previous nerf to submarines

1-Ability to take damage
2-speed cap were limited to 40.
3-Limitations with the smoke bombs.
4- Time in diving has been increased, which means, slower in diving.
5-Torpedo Duds, or auto miss chance is wayyy too high, its too high you can tell
surface ships has gained the ability to be Called "Hovercraft"
6- Looks like the u flak guns were nerfed also.*
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1 - not good enuf, a DD should be able to owne a sub on surface in matter of s. but
it doesn't...thus subs can take hits, eaven thoes they are not supposed to.

2 - thats not a nerf and that limit is ridiculess....IMO who would you feel if MN BB6
had 80 OH on intreduction and then they LOWER it to 60 OH...by your logic...this
means it's fixed....while in fact it's not. same thing happend to subs IMO...

and eaven thoe NF has nothing to do with realisem...put this in mind...
sub could never CHASE targets...they where NOT MENT FOR THAT, sub's OH was
approx. 12-16OH on surface...while in NF it's 40 OH, ect., ect., ect...

FYI this was allready in a debate a few times...

3 - duh, smokes should be removed all together...on a nother note... Subs got a
BUFF to plainsman wich with smoke you are able to refill half of air in matter os s.
thus limitation is on place...it owuled be beter if they coulden't use it...or Plainsman
reverted back as it was.

4 - can't comment on this...I know it was 3s, I diden't see any post saying it was
changed -.-

5 - that I agree, IJN/US are the worst here, while KM and MN are in middle and in
back KM(go figure proxy's)

6 - they should be eather removed, or adjusted so they can only do REAL dmg toa
CL or LOWER.

like it was said before...just cuz a needed nerf is needed doesn't mean it's a nerf to
much...as long as Sub's are Oped nerf's should fly on em...all thoe I wouled prefer 1
patch with re-adjustements to all Sub's and ASW

cheers
Megadone

1 leve the airtime as it is now

2 buf low lvl ss1/2 air end speed but only a bit

3 remove proxi torps but leve the endrun explosion the same

4 if the proxi is removed give the km ss 2 extra fronttubes and 1 rear

5 give back the exp

6 leve the hh and depthcharge the same

7 as for the ijn ss leve it to be a bbhunter
and if u change remove 2 fronts to 1 /2 reartubes

8 plane and surface torps
leve as is but get the friendlyfire of so u don't get it up the but from ur one kita's

9 as for speed OH speed leve it allone
why nerve the speed so that u can't go after a running ship
most big ship can run at 40 knots OH a sub untherwater can't

10 leve the torpnumbers alone a bb can have alot of shells
and a good bb player at higerlvl can kill multiple bb/cv ect.
and ss can kill 2/3 whith alot of luck if they finde a bb/cv that has low bulge

Previous nerf to submarines

1-Ability to take damage
2-speed cap were limited to 40.
3-Limitations with the smoke bombs.
4- Time in diving has been increased, which means, slower in diving.
5-Torpedo Duds, or auto miss chance is wayyy too high, its too high you can tell surface
ships has gained the ability to be Called "Hovercraft"
6- Looks like the u flak guns were nerfed also.


so, 6 nerfs has passed since the submarines were introduced into navyfield and people
still complaitning they are overpowered. All i see, are people that are use to be suface
dominant, and they "DONT" accept , that submarines are a strong machine also, perhaps,
complaint that they are overpowered.

this scenario will be similar like uk this and Km that...nerf and buff..Submarines doesnt
need nerf at all...they were Nerfed hard enough..

considering the last patch SDE did...lots of sand in eye's

as for harm....well ppl who acctually read the whole thread would get annoyed
eaven faster then usually cuz of constant repeated suggestion.

all so I remember it was said somewhere....that subs WILL BE looked at once all sub
tiers are out...

wich means 2 things

1 - 3 more years of OPed subs till they balance them
2 - there full of it and just gona leave subs as they are....just look at MN
Bombers...OPed and now they geting a CV6 for it... LLOOLL

cheers
Megadone

But the more people suggest it, the more likely SDE will see it!

Besides, what's the harm?

@Teddyyoo

1 - lol
2 - lies...maybe 10 pages :p
3 - I refuse to bowdown, I will keep watching my NF play by it self, more fun
4 - point of reading all 37 pages is, 90% of stuff ppl suggest was ALLREADY
suggest...and if ppl read the whole 37 pages...they would all so see that MOST of us
agree that ASW as well needs a nerf...and there are a bunch of geart ideas for
solving ALL ISSUES....ppl just need to stop beeing lazy and start reading.

cheers
Megadone

""
1 - your crew sucks
2 - your full of it
3 - no I think ima just keep watching NF play it self on my screen, after all why would
I play for you O.o

subs are STILL OPed and they need further nerfs...or rather yet....a full re-balance,
simple as that.

cheers
Megadone
""

1 - Totally and completely true. I bought it from you, after all ;)

2 - I'm full of it, telling everybody every other post that something has already been
suggested. Ever think that most people won't read 37 pages of you trolling?

3 - Then don't comment on the gameplay you never experienced.

reading the thread helps a lot...

both sub AND ASW nerfs are allready suggested....eaven more so...it was suggested
that BOTH issues got adressed at same time...as in same patch.

furthermore....P.HH's need to be removed -.-

cheers
Megadone