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Harbor Limit
06. 14. 2012 04:39
Neat
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With the addition of the 3 new harbors, can the fleet restriction on harbor ownership be decreased, or tweaked? This could set up scenarios where certain fleets are stuck at their respective harbors without being attacked, because now all the other fleets could just attack the other 5 harbors. I would think allowing a fleet to own or attack 3 harbors now would be fair, and still leave 4 other harbors open to fleets who would rather not attack the top fleet/fleets.
*Edit: Another option is Surrender Harbor option.
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Re : Harbor Limit
06. 14. 2012 14:35
Vawlkus
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Size means you have tactics to play with in HAs. Each room is limited to 35 people per side. The Harbor Tile itself is limited to 35 per side. A fleet of 50 can mount a successful assault on a harbor and win it, IT HAS BEEN DONE.
When people say small fleets can't compete I have to shake my head. get 40 to 50 people together, and you're there. How many fleets don't have that? Honestly.
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Re : Harbor Limit
06. 14. 2012 14:43
texture08
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Originally Posted by Neat
Originally Posted by BernardHenri
Firstly, I don't play HA. (only played one in my "NF life")
Secondly, I'm pretty sure I won't play HA after this patch.
So if you want to denigrate my post, just use this, it'll be easier.
That being said, I think that adding 3 new harbors could give the opportunity to medium fleets to attack and maybe hold an harbor. Allowing fleet to own 3 harbors would kind of negate it, because it would mean 3 fleets could hold all the harbors, almost the same than now. If two fleets are much stronger than all others, it will leave only 1 harbor really "attackable", quite an improvment, isn't it?
Btw, if a fleet already have 2 harbors and hold them, they may be able able to hold 3. And if they hold 3, you are back to the same point, with a few more rentals.
P.S.: I'm sorry if some of my sentences are not easily understandable, english is not my mother tongue.
So with a total of 7 harbors, a fleet could own 2 harbors, never get attacked, and will not be able to attack if they are a strong fleet and nobody attacks them. How would this be fair if a fleet that wants to do HA is effectively punished for being good, and not able to do HA?
that is easy, they just give up one of the harbour they hold, then they can enjoy ha again allowing more habours a fleet can hold, this just decrease the chance on mid and small fleets to enjoy ha so do u concern about that?
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Re : Harbor Limit
06. 14. 2012 14:51
Sindher
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Originally Posted by scvbari
Originally Posted by Sindher
Hey guys! INB4LJSEVERNANDHISALLIANCEIDEA. AMIRITE?
Actually, the alliance ideal would still be awesome if it could be implemented. Either way, we still need incentives to prompt people to want to join existing fleets/bigger fleets. In part large/established fleet such as Jedi, KT, BS, AA, ARA, FC, CAV and USABG can rely on word of mouth, but I am pretty sure there can be incentives offered for or by these fleets to attract more high quality players and be competitive.
Alliance idea would be silly. How many people can be in the allied group? Who gets ownership of the harbour? What reward will be given to the ally? I could go on and on. Recruitment isn't really a problem, it's just getting people online for a few fleets and for that to be solved, HA needs propper and decent rewards. Rentals are fantastic until T3 and then they go down the drain. What HA needs is things like credit or EXP awards. *Attacking fleet has successfullly taken London Harbour, all UK ships within the fleet recieve a 30% EXP Boost for 6 hours. *Defending fleet has successfully kept Hamburg Harbour, all KM ships within the fleet recieve a 30% Credit Boost for 6 hours. *Attacking fleet managed to get into New York Harbour with half an hour to spare, all US ships a half a knot increase on their overheat. I could go on and on but that's just a small taster for people to stick around AFTER an HA instead of just logging off and seeing them again for another attack/defence.
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Re : Harbor Limit
06. 14. 2012 14:51
scvbari
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Originally Posted by SaseCaiBlele
Originally Posted by scvbari
Originally Posted by Sindher
Hey guys! INB4LJSEVERNANDHISALLIANCEIDEA. AMIRITE?
Actually, the alliance ideal would still be awesome if it could be implemented. Either way, we still need incentives to prompt people to want to join existing fleets/bigger fleets. In part large/established fleet such as Jedi, KT, BS, AA, ARA, FC, CAV and USABG can rely on word of mouth, but I am pretty sure there can be incentives offered for or by these fleets to attract more high quality players and be competitive.
this:
In part large/established fleet such as Jedi, KT, BS, AA, ARA, FC, CAV and USABG
cut ..........
let
Bs-polish-ara-aa
they are large fleets
lol, calm down there. I mentioned ARA, BS and AA. Just happened to forget about PMW
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Re : Harbor Limit
06. 14. 2012 14:59
cena200
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Originally Posted by Vawlkus
Size means you have tactics to play with in HAs. Each room is limited to 35 people per side. The Harbor Tile itself is limited to 35 per side. A fleet of 50 can mount a successful assault on a harbor and win it, IT HAS BEEN DONE.
When people say small fleets can't compete I have to shake my head. get 40 to 50 people together, and you're there. How many fleets don't have that? Honestly.
I agree 100% I led SR last weekend to the harbour tile vs AH... now addmitedly AH are probably the smallest in numbers of the harbour owners, but still we only had 53 online, and a few were afk, we had about 14 bb6 players online, (most of these only had 1 bb6) and it was first HA ever for about 50% of members... so why the hell are more fleets not doing HA?
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Re : Harbor Limit
06. 14. 2012 15:02
Sindher
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Originally Posted by cena200
Originally Posted by Vawlkus
Size means you have tactics to play with in HAs. Each room is limited to 35 people per side. The Harbor Tile itself is limited to 35 per side. A fleet of 50 can mount a successful assault on a harbor and win it, IT HAS BEEN DONE.
When people say small fleets can't compete I have to shake my head. get 40 to 50 people together, and you're there. How many fleets don't have that? Honestly.
I agree 100% I led SR last weekend to the harbour tile vs AH... now addmitedly AH are probably the smallest in numbers of the harbour owners, but still we only had 53 online, and a few were afk, we had about 14 bb6 players online, (most of these only had 1 bb6) and it was first HA ever for about 50% of members... so why the hell are more fleets not doing HA?
Massive BB6 fleets, Smoke bombs which apparently stop shells, crashes/bugs, etc. Take your pick brah.
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Re : Harbor Limit
06. 14. 2012 15:05
sylwesterph
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Originally Posted by scvbari
Originally Posted by SaseCaiBlele
Originally Posted by scvbari
Originally Posted by Sindher
Hey guys! INB4LJSEVERNANDHISALLIANCEIDEA. AMIRITE?
Actually, the alliance ideal would still be awesome if it could be implemented. Either way, we still need incentives to prompt people to want to join existing fleets/bigger fleets. In part large/established fleet such as Jedi, KT, BS, AA, ARA, FC, CAV and USABG can rely on word of mouth, but I am pretty sure there can be incentives offered for or by these fleets to attract more high quality players and be competitive.
this:
In part large/established fleet such as Jedi, KT, BS, AA, ARA, FC, CAV and USABG
cut ..........
let
Bs-polish-ara-aa
they are large fleets
lol, calm down there. I mentioned ARA, BS and AA. Just happened to forget about PMW
KT,Jedi,Cav and USABG are large fleet? One big lolzzzz.
And you forget about AH we got now
BS ,ARA,AA,AH,PMW
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Re : Harbor Limit
06. 14. 2012 15:23
Neat
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Originally Posted by texture08
Originally Posted by Neat
Originally Posted by BernardHenri
Firstly, I don't play HA. (only played one in my "NF life")
Secondly, I'm pretty sure I won't play HA after this patch.
So if you want to denigrate my post, just use this, it'll be easier.
That being said, I think that adding 3 new harbors could give the opportunity to medium fleets to attack and maybe hold an harbor. Allowing fleet to own 3 harbors would kind of negate it, because it would mean 3 fleets could hold all the harbors, almost the same than now. If two fleets are much stronger than all others, it will leave only 1 harbor really "attackable", quite an improvment, isn't it?
Btw, if a fleet already have 2 harbors and hold them, they may be able able to hold 3. And if they hold 3, you are back to the same point, with a few more rentals.
P.S.: I'm sorry if some of my sentences are not easily understandable, english is not my mother tongue.
So with a total of 7 harbors, a fleet could own 2 harbors, never get attacked, and will not be able to attack if they are a strong fleet and nobody attacks them. How would this be fair if a fleet that wants to do HA is effectively punished for being good, and not able to do HA?
that is easy, they just give up one of the harbour they hold, then they can enjoy ha again allowing more habours a fleet can hold, this just decrease the chance on mid and small fleets to enjoy ha so do u concern about that?
1 problem with that. If nobody attacks, you can not lose now can you? Even if you try to lose. So are fleets allowed to give storage fleets their harbors so they can attack?
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Re : Harbor Limit
06. 14. 2012 16:47
ljsevern
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Originally Posted by Vawlkus
Dammit neat, you stole my point :P Little history for ya: back before there were harbor limits, RedSky did hold 3 harbors at once, had all three attacked and lost them all ( I think, memory is a little hazy there). Point is still the same: a single harbor is 3 to 4 hours (2 hours of fight, up to 2 hours of prep time). Just one assault is a good chunk of a day. Two harbors? You're looking at half a day (a Saturday at that). Three harbors? People would have to be nuts to WANT to defend that. Yeah, Blacksun IS crazy enough to want to defend that }B) I say raise the limit to three. I SERIOUSLY doubt you'll ever see a thread asking for four.
Try doing 4, its mentally draining. I've always disagreed with the limit on number of harbours. It should be unrestricted. However, to get the server involved, allow the alliance system with a number of restrictions.
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Re : Harbor Limit
06. 14. 2012 16:48
ljsevern
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Originally Posted by Sindher
Hey guys! INB4LJSEVERNANDHISALLIANCEIDEA. AMIRITE?
Because a good idea is obviously going to get posted.
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