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Harbor Limit
06. 14. 2012 04:39
Neat
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With the addition of the 3 new harbors, can the fleet restriction on harbor ownership be decreased, or tweaked? This could set up scenarios where certain fleets are stuck at their respective harbors without being attacked, because now all the other fleets could just attack the other 5 harbors. I would think allowing a fleet to own or attack 3 harbors now would be fair, and still leave 4 other harbors open to fleets who would rather not attack the top fleet/fleets.
*Edit: Another option is Surrender Harbor option.
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Re : Harbor Limit
06. 15. 2012 03:30
Neat
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Originally Posted by texture08
Originally Posted by Neat
Originally Posted by texture08
Originally Posted by Neat
Originally Posted by BernardHenri
Firstly, I don't play HA. (only played one in my "NF life")
Secondly, I'm pretty sure I won't play HA after this patch.
So if you want to denigrate my post, just use this, it'll be easier.
That being said, I think that adding 3 new harbors could give the opportunity to medium fleets to attack and maybe hold an harbor. Allowing fleet to own 3 harbors would kind of negate it, because it would mean 3 fleets could hold all the harbors, almost the same than now. If two fleets are much stronger than all others, it will leave only 1 harbor really "attackable", quite an improvment, isn't it?
Btw, if a fleet already have 2 harbors and hold them, they may be able able to hold 3. And if they hold 3, you are back to the same point, with a few more rentals.
P.S.: I'm sorry if some of my sentences are not easily understandable, english is not my mother tongue.
So with a total of 7 harbors, a fleet could own 2 harbors, never get attacked, and will not be able to attack if they are a strong fleet and nobody attacks them. How would this be fair if a fleet that wants to do HA is effectively punished for being good, and not able to do HA?
that is easy, they just give up one of the harbour they hold, then they can enjoy ha again allowing more habours a fleet can hold, this just decrease the chance on mid and small fleets to enjoy ha so do u concern about that?
1 problem with that. If nobody attacks, you can not lose now can you? Even if you try to lose. So are fleets allowed to give storage fleets their harbors so they can attack?
if no one attacks ur harbour even u want to lose, so increase the limit u can enjoy the ha by attacking a no owner habour? after u get the harbour, its still no one attacks 1 of ur harbour, u will post here again to say : hey SDE, plz increase the limit for harbour own, so the big fleets can enjoy HA.
you caught me..... I only posted this so we can attack empty harbors........... I guess you failed to see I asked if we could have a surrender option so fleets have the option to attack, even if nobody wants to attack them.
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Re : Harbor Limit
06. 15. 2012 04:45
texture08
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Originally Posted by Neat
Originally Posted by texture08
Originally Posted by Neat
Originally Posted by texture08
Originally Posted by Neat
So with a total of 7 harbors, a fleet could own 2 harbors, never get attacked, and will not be able to attack if they are a strong fleet and nobody attacks them. How would this be fair if a fleet that wants to do HA is effectively punished for being good, and not able to do HA?
that is easy, they just give up one of the harbour they hold, then they can enjoy ha again allowing more habours a fleet can hold, this just decrease the chance on mid and small fleets to enjoy ha so do u concern about that?
1 problem with that. If nobody attacks, you can not lose now can you? Even if you try to lose. So are fleets allowed to give storage fleets their harbors so they can attack?
if no one attacks ur harbour even u want to lose, so increase the limit u can enjoy the ha by attacking a no owner habour? after u get the harbour, its still no one attacks 1 of ur harbour, u will post here again to say : hey SDE, plz increase the limit for harbour own, so the big fleets can enjoy HA.
you caught me..... I only posted this so we can attack empty harbors........... I guess you failed to see I asked if we could have a surrender option so fleets have the option to attack, even if nobody wants to attack them.
after 1 month the released harbours are still empty, i thinik no one will oppose u. is it too early to think about that?
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Re : Harbor Limit
06. 15. 2012 06:02
Neat
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Originally Posted by texture08
Originally Posted by Neat
Originally Posted by texture08
Originally Posted by Neat
Originally Posted by texture08
that is easy, they just give up one of the harbour they hold, then they can enjoy ha again
allowing more habours a fleet can hold, this just decrease the chance on mid and small fleets to enjoy ha
so do u concern about that?
1 problem with that. If nobody attacks, you can not lose now can you? Even if you try to lose. So are fleets allowed to give storage fleets their harbors so they can attack?
if no one attacks ur harbour even u want to lose, so increase the limit u can enjoy the ha by attacking a no owner habour? after u get the harbour, its still no one attacks 1 of ur harbour, u will post here again to say : hey SDE, plz increase the limit for harbour own, so the big fleets can enjoy HA.
you caught me..... I only posted this so we can attack empty harbors........... I guess you failed to see I asked if we could have a surrender option so fleets have the option to attack, even if nobody wants to attack them.
after 1 month the released harbours are still empty, i thinik no one will oppose u. is it too early to think about that?
fleets have not been able to attack the new harbors yet.....i dont know what your on, but can you pass some my way?
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Re : Harbor Limit
06. 15. 2012 06:17
texture08
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Originally Posted by Neat
Originally Posted by texture08
Originally Posted by Neat
Originally Posted by texture08
Originally Posted by Neat
1 problem with that. If nobody attacks, you can not lose now can you? Even if you try to lose. So are fleets allowed to give storage fleets their harbors so they can attack?
if no one attacks ur harbour even u want to lose, so increase the limit u can enjoy the ha by attacking a no owner habour? after u get the harbour, its still no one attacks 1 of ur harbour, u will post here again to say : hey SDE, plz increase the limit for harbour own, so the big fleets can enjoy HA.
you caught me..... I only posted this so we can attack empty harbors........... I guess you failed to see I asked if we could have a surrender option so fleets have the option to attack, even if nobody wants to attack them.
after 1 month the released harbours are still empty, i thinik no one will oppose u. is it too early to think about that?
fleets have not been able to attack the new harbors yet.....i dont know what your on, but can you pass some my way?
my last post i mean when they are all released and can be attacked, thats all leave harbours for mid and small fleets to enjoy ha i see greedy
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Re : Harbor Limit
06. 15. 2012 06:31
Neat
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Originally Posted by texture08
Originally Posted by Neat
Originally Posted by texture08
Originally Posted by Neat
Originally Posted by texture08
if no one attacks ur harbour even u want to lose, so increase the limit u can enjoy the ha by attacking a no owner habour? after u get the harbour, its still no one attacks 1 of ur harbour, u will post here again to say : hey SDE, plz increase the limit for harbour own, so the big fleets can enjoy HA.
you caught me..... I only posted this so we can attack empty harbors........... I guess you failed to see I asked if we could have a surrender option so fleets have the option to attack, even if nobody wants to attack them.
after 1 month the released harbours are still empty, i thinik no one will oppose u. is it too early to think about that?
fleets have not been able to attack the new harbors yet.....i dont know what your on, but can you pass some my way?
my last post i mean when they are all released and can be attacked, thats all leave harbours for mid and small fleets to enjoy ha i see greedy
What are you failing to understand? It has nothing to do with greed, I have stated to even keep 2 harbor limit. IT COMES DOWN TO IF NOBODY ATTACKS A FLEETS HARBOR AND THEY HAVE 2, HOW CAN THAT FLEET DO HA? MAKE AN OPTION TO LET FLEETS SURRENDER THEIR HARBOR, and maintain a 2 harbor limit. It is about a fleet having an option to give away a harbor, so they will be able to attack instead of sitting idle for potentially a long period of time. How is it fair to keep a fleet that wants to do HA, from participating in HA just because no other fleet attacks them, and they are prevented from attacking because of the 2 harbor limit. Keep the 2 harbor limit, but allow a fleet the ability to give away 1 of their habors, so they can participate in HA Attack. That way if no fleets attack them, they could give a harbor away, and attack a harbor, preventing the fleet from being stuck without HA by the decision of other fleets.
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Re : Harbor Limit
06. 15. 2012 06:59
miatamadman
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I think I can solve this latest misunderstanding.
Neat, your original post says"
[quote="Neat"]With the addition of the 3 new harbors, can the fleet restriction on harbor ownership be decreased, or tweaked? This could set up scenarios where certain fleets are stuck at their respective harbors without being attacked, because now all the other fleets could just attack the other 5 harbors. I would think allowing a fleet to own or attack 3 harbors now would be fair, and still leave 4 other harbors open to fleets who would rather not attack the top fleet/fleets.[/quote]
So this gentleman (although improper english) said no and gave a reason. So for you to then go to another point.
[quote="Neat"]What are you failing to understand? It has nothing to do with greed, I have stated to even keep 2 harbor limit. IT COMES DOWN TO IF NOBODY ATTACKS A FLEETS HARBOR AND THEY HAVE 2, HOW CAN THAT FLEET DO HA? MAKE AN OPTION TO LET FLEETS SURRENDER THEIR HARBOR, and maintain a 2 harbor limit. It is about a fleet having an option to give away a harbor, so they will be able to attack instead of sitting idle for potentially a long period of time. How is it fair to keep a fleet that wants to do HA, from participating in HA just because no other fleet attacks them, and they are prevented from attacking because of the 2 harbor limit. Keep the 2 harbor limit, but allow a fleet the ability to give away 1 of their habors, so they can participate in HA Attack. That way if no fleets attack them, they could give a harbor away, and attack a harbor, preventing the fleet from being stuck without HA by the decision of other fleets.[/quote]
Surrendering and increasing the limit are 2 different things, thats all. Your original post says nothing about surrendering or etc. Some people, do not read everything, they just chime in on the original post, which is why the original post is there.
Does this help? (seriously I am not trying to incite anything)
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Re : Harbor Limit
06. 15. 2012 07:10
Neat
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[QUOTE=miatamadman]
I think I can solve this latest misunderstanding.
Neat, your original post says"
[quote="Neat"]With the addition of the 3 new harbors, can the fleet restriction on harbor ownership be decreased, or tweaked? This could set up scenarios where certain fleets are stuck at their respective harbors without being attacked, because now all the other fleets could just attack the other 5 harbors. I would think allowing a fleet to own or attack 3 harbors now would be fair, and still leave 4 other harbors open to fleets who would rather not attack the top fleet/fleets.[/quote]
So this gentleman (although improper english) said no and gave a reason. So for you to then go to another point.
[quote="Neat"]What are you failing to understand? It has nothing to do with greed, I have stated to even keep 2 harbor limit. IT COMES DOWN TO IF NOBODY ATTACKS A FLEETS HARBOR AND THEY HAVE 2, HOW CAN THAT FLEET DO HA? MAKE AN OPTION TO LET FLEETS SURRENDER THEIR HARBOR, and maintain a 2 harbor limit. It is about a fleet having an option to give away a harbor, so they will be able to attack instead of sitting idle for potentially a long period of time. How is it fair to keep a fleet that wants to do HA, from participating in HA just because no other fleet attacks them, and they are prevented from attacking because of the 2 harbor limit. Keep the 2 harbor limit, but allow a fleet the ability to give away 1 of their habors, so they can participate in HA Attack. That way if no fleets attack them, they could give a harbor away, and attack a harbor, preventing the fleet from being stuck without HA by the decision of other fleets.[/quote]
Surrendering and increasing the limit are 2 different things, thats all. Your original post says nothing about surrendering or etc. Some people, do not read everything, they just chime in on the original post, which is why the original post is there.
Does this help? (seriously I am not trying to incite anything)
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Good point m8. I have edited original post to include the surrender harbor option.
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Re : Harbor Limit
06. 15. 2012 07:38
Kilaenots
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Originally Posted by bloodsky
Originally Posted by ljsevern
Originally Posted by Vawlkus
Dammit neat, you stole my point :P Little history for ya: back before there were harbor limits, RedSky did hold 3 harbors at once, had all three attacked and lost them all ( I think, memory is a little hazy there). Point is still the same: a single harbor is 3 to 4 hours (2 hours of fight, up to 2 hours of prep time). Just one assault is a good chunk of a day. Two harbors? You're looking at half a day (a Saturday at that). Three harbors? People would have to be nuts to WANT to defend that. Yeah, Blacksun IS crazy enough to want to defend that }B) I say raise the limit to three. I SERIOUSLY doubt you'll ever see a thread asking for four.
Try doing 4, its mentally draining. I've always disagreed with the limit on number of harbours. It should be unrestricted. However, to get the server involved, allow the alliance system with a number of restrictions.
TC on back-then New York once held 4 for two weeks straight, then just kept UK.. jajaja
RS, TC, Vets.. All the "big" fleets are now dead on Kaiser, the mid levels are coming up now.
I would like to see what would happen if we removed the harbor limit and put in an alliance system that took into account active fleet size.
TC have a few weeks time off and we are dead? I think you need to check your facts. It was only a month or so ago TC held 2 harbours with both having T5 rentals. And please check who won the recent fleet league on Kaiser. All that happened is we got rusty from only having HA where we spent most of our time sinking each other. Although it is good to see the new fleets and hopefully the new harbours will allow others to play. And whoever says it is easy to give up a harbour it certainly isn't if no one attacks you.
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Re : Harbor Limit
06. 15. 2012 22:35
bloodsky
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And that, is the great debate of perspective.
If you have any other thoughts please send me a PM or submit a support ticket, otherwise I would like for this thread to remain on topic.
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Re : Harbor Limit
06. 16. 2012 08:50
jado
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I AGREE WHY U NO LET US GET MORE THAN 2 HARBORS
ITS NO FAIR
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