Let me say that the goal of this is to have more people playing cvs, however your way
would likely detract people form using them, since they would have to use a feature they
may not want to use.

To get people to play more bombers, make them worthwhile, like MN, you see a lot more
bombers from MN than fighters because they have a damage increase.

Want to see more CV's?

take away shared EXP!

that and update the Fighters, Dive, and Torpedo Bombers.

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By removing those last 2 fighter pilots, you are having me wait a minute or two for
my
fighters to either come back, get killed, or run out of fuel.

I tried using only 6 fps a few games, because i thought it would be an interesting
handicap and wanted to level some supports for bb. Adapting to the 6 fighter format
would
also allow a few bombers to be added into the mix. However it failed, at the
beginning of
the matches, I would not be able to get enough planes over the enemy, and would
quickly be
overwhelmed by blindness.

I find that things are only good when pushed to the extreme in one area, rather
than being
a crappy jack of all trades.
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and where is the choice in that....seems like it is still you have to run all fighters and
nothing but fighters with 8 pilots on your carrier to be effictive in battle.

as for the need for 8 fighter pilots you have to remember everyone will have the
same restrictions and same problems with launching aircraft if limited to 6 pilots.
you either have to wait out the planes dying or returning just like the other guy
does.

Yes you have a prefered launch order you like to do that gets planes out fast
enough for you but if limited in pilot numbers maybe its better to change the
numbers a little bit. like 2,2,3,3 first wave and 5,5 for last two pilots.

Also remember the time you tried to handicapp yourself you were still playing
against people using 8 fighter pilots. not really an accurate test of how effective a
6pilot FW would be as the others were not playing by the same set of rules.

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To get people to start using bombers, you have to make them worthwhile. Forcing
people to
use things that just aren't worthwhile simple makes resentment towards the entire
thing.
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And how is that different the current play where you are forced to fighter whore with
max fighter pilots (8 at upper levels)?

Yes i did not make it far in my CV or BB (lvl 79 is the bb, cv is 75 bo and 72 fighters
due to the silly bo getting more experience than the fighter pilots) and so i dont
know how things work at the top levels, but from what i see there are a few "rules"
so to speak with CV right now.

1 - fighter whore
2 - fighter whore more
3 - fighter whore even more
4 - scout for your team because your a carrier and all about planes therefore you
must do all the team scouting.
5 - if you dont have lvl 80-90 or higher boosted vetted experted fighter pilots or able
to burn money like it meant nothing to get there then you have no use or purpose in
a CV. (unless of course you got lucky and had your cv crew and gained all your vets
and experts running missions in your BB that no longer give you vets that you can
try and make into experts).

sounds pretty must stuck in one style of play to me with no choice whatsoever in
how you play your CV unless of course you are one of the few special Bomber gods i
mentioned before where you only get slapped on the wrist for not being a FW
instead of called every name imaginable under the sun for not being a FW.

And you wonder why i dont play a CV even though I like the idea of being the carrier
and helping from behind the battle line like I think a carrier should, too bad I cant
support the team the way i want to or the way that i might actually have some
impact seeing as my fighter pilots can not even begin to compete with most of the
CV I end up facing. Again I say look at all the multi gold bar CV1 or CV 2 out there. I
am pretty sure that its not the BO that is multi-gold on them especially when the
chat shows them as 4silver (chat goes by BO level while ship graphic goes by
highest crew member lvl).

Let me quote the nf introduction here:

"75 different sailor positions are available so you can take command of your vessel in the
manner that best suits you."

I choose to use 8 fighter pilots, because to me it wins me games and truthfully I don't
like using bombers, they are poor at doing damage and I prefer supporting my bbs however I
can rather than selfishly taking the attack, when they are about 10 times more effective
at doing damage.

You are free to use whatever setups you like, be it bomber heavy or fighter heavy

"I am not saying remove the ability to FW or BW. I am just think there should be a
disadvantage (aside from the advantage of more free support slots). Think about it, if
you have 9 support slots 2 t slots and 1 bo slot and in you supports you can only fit 6
fighter pilots, thats 3 empty slots for reps, engineers, medic or whatever you want to
place there, and you still have 2 t slots that you could actually consider putting aa or
dual purpose guns on. as opposed to the current mentalist of 8 fighter pilots, 1 engineer
in support and a rep and medic in the t slots (or whatever the current mentality is."

Using supports on a cv is useless, because I feel that if you are being attacked as a cv,
then you are a pretty bad cv in my book. (Except subs, but those are an exception to all
rules)

"Are you less of a FW cause you can only have 6 groups of fighters instead of 8? Are you
less of a BW cause you can only have 6 groups of bombers instead of 8?"

Yes I am. It all comes down to tactics. I like to start my games 1-1-3-3-3 (pcv) so that I
can intercept fps with my fighters, then after those single fps are out, load 2 more on
6th pilot. The last 2 pilots can be then queued (or however you spell it) for a 5-5 setup.

By removing those last 2 fighter pilots, you are having me wait a minute or two for my
fighters to either come back, get killed, or run out of fuel.

I tried using only 6 fps a few games, because i thought it would be an interesting
handicap and wanted to level some supports for bb. Adapting to the 6 fighter format would
also allow a few bombers to be added into the mix. However it failed, at the beginning of
the matches, I would not be able to get enough planes over the enemy, and would quickly be
overwhelmed by blindness.

I find that things are only good when pushed to the extreme in one area, rather than being
a crappy jack of all trades.

Selak, I noticed that you are only level 79 (unless other accs), I am not trying to attack
you, but at that level the cvs are noticeably different. CV3s only have 6 support slots
(except akagi :|), and so I can see that you might think that having only 6 fps might be
okay. However, once you have tried fw with cv5/pcv/cv6, it's pretty hard to adapt. I like
to focus hard on one squadron (or launch of 10-12) and make the most of my assets,
essentially, if I were to use bombers, I would end up leaving our team blind while working
out my flight patterns. This would then end up either dead, or successful, while not
really contributing to our team as much as keeping our team sighted for the minutes that
it can take to bomb.

If this was implemented I would likely drop my cv in favor of fictorying with my bb since
my capabilities would be greatly diminished, not to mention that I couldn't drive my cv6

To get people to start using bombers, you have to make them worthwhile. Forcing people to
use things that just aren't worthwhile simple makes resentment towards the entire thing.

Eradicator...What choice do CV have now?

Last time I played my CV you had to FW with tier 3 fighters and 100+ level pilots no
matter what cv you drove if you wanted to be of any help in anything but the last 2
minutes of battle. How is that a choice? Very few CV players (i admit i am not one of
them) are or were good enough at the time to be able to do anything while just being a BW
when i stopped playing CV. There were so few in fact that everyone on the server knew
them all and they were the select few that were not constantly being yelled at for no
providing scouts (fighter cover). That did not mean they never got yelled at, it was just
a lot less often than anyone else.

I am not saying remove the ability to FW or BW. I am just think there should be a
disadvantage (aside from the advantage of more free support slots). Think about it, if
you have 9 support slots 2 t slots and 1 bo slot and in you supports you can only fit 6
fighter pilots, thats 3 empty slots for reps, engineers, medic or whatever you want to
place there, and you still have 2 t slots that you could actually consider putting aa or
dual purpose guns on. as opposed to the current mentalist of 8 fighter pilots, 1 engineer
in support and a rep and medic in the t slots (or whatever the current mentality is.

Are you less of a FW cause you can only have 6 groups of fighters instead of 8? Are you
less of a BW cause you can only have 6 groups of bombers instead of 8?

Are you less of a FW cause instead of 118 fighters in hanger you only have 94? Are you
less of a BW for having 94 instead of 118 fighters? (note this is using the numbers of the
US PCV and tier 3 fighters).

"@erad
Were those in GB2? Even with good FW games I've never broken 30k with a CV before....
Also erad, do you make that consistently? It would help if other CVs didn't suck so much >_< "

Yeah they were a few GB2s from last night, and it's pretty consistent (Usually around
50-60k), I would have more screens but my cv6 crew maxed out, currently running pcv with
bb bo :p

You people shouldn't be complaining about cv exp, I remember gb1 times when I would be
happy to get 30k exp

Pre GB2 period sucked for cv exp, a similar game probably would look more like this:


"I think Limiting fighter and bomber slots on a carrier should be concidered. Almost no
carrier since WW2 has gone into any battle with just fighters or just bombers (granted now
planes are multi-role but we dont have that here) if there is a max of 8 pilots on a ship
why not make it max of 5 or 6 of each type of pilot. Along with that limit plan amounts
to no more than 80% plane space devoted to one type of plane. This wont prevent FW or BW
but it would give it a draw back by not having a full hanger of planes or max number of
possible pilots. I think most CV players would be able to live with this change and a few
would probably even welcome it."

Why are you removing our choices, bb players can choose whatever guns they want to use.
This is like saying "Oh hey let's make all bb players have to use guns on every slot even
when the guns aren't useful at all (aka uk aa guns, no offense), or when we can do better
by focusing everything on one thing"

NF was founded upon choice, so I cannot see this happening.

i tend to agree with most of the comments in this thread....

CV (lower lvl ones) with an at level crew get nothing in terms of exp or credits. And if
its your first CV and you dont already have a BB5 then it makes it hard to even come close
to having the credits to keep up or attempt to buy better crew for yourself.

Crew death on CV is still obsurdly high. Every plan shot down seems to be atleast one vet
or expert killed. Could you image the out crew from BB drivers if every shell hit killed
atleast one vet or expert (ie - full salvo of 12 shells hitting = 12 experts or vets
dead). I am sure it is not really that high on the crew death but it sure feels that way.

Friendly AA needs to be fixed....either give the AA ship negative credits for every
friendly plane they shoot down or find some other equally effective means of discouraging
friendly AA ships from killing all our planes. I have watched several games in the last
few days (from the comfort of my CL or DD raising a new crew) where a AA ship on my team
did nothing but shoot any plane above him, even when all of the planes were friendly planes.

The constant complaining from scoutless BB about being blind or calling all the cv noobs
when the other team is all players in CV with high lvl fighters (triple gold bar cv1 FTW)
and their team is all players with at level crew in a CV2 or 3 (some CV3 are at lvl
initally with no tier 3 fighter access).

Fix pilot experience. My first CV is fun to play but over the course of starting with an
entirely lvl 50 crew, my BO is now several levels ahead of all the pilots. All because BO
earns more EXP than the pilots do on a regular basis. Either lower the BO experience to
match that of the pilots or raise pilot experience to match that of BO.

I think Limiting fighter and bomber slots on a carrier should be concidered. Almost no
carrier since WW2 has gone into any battle with just fighters or just bombers (granted now
planes are multi-role but we dont have that here) if there is a max of 8 pilots on a ship
why not make it max of 5 or 6 of each type of pilot. Along with that limit plan amounts
to no more than 80% plane space devoted to one type of plane. This wont prevent FW or BW
but it would give it a draw back by not having a full hanger of planes or max number of
possible pilots. I think most CV players would be able to live with this change and a few
would probably even welcome it.

Locals - These were meant to give the lower level players a chance against higher lvl CV
players from my understanding. I think they should be lvl limited and CV limited. Limit
them to pilots that can not use tier 3 plane of thier nation and limit them to CV 1 CV 2
and CV 3 as well as the hybrids of Japan (oyodo, Ise CV, and Mog CV). with these limits I
could see nerfing damage a little buffing defense slightly and maybe giving them slightly
more fuel that way they can be used to provide fighter cover but not effective at scouting
the other team, and give lower lvl cvs a true role that they could possible succeed at.
Yes a high lvl player with tier 3 should stand some chance killing them, but if the lower
lvl learns to control his planes properly he should have little problems dealing with tier
3 (not without losses though).

I am sure I can think of more but its been a while since i used my CV mostly due to the
problems above.

"Nerf Fighter Sight Range,maybe around to DB sight or in between DB/Current fighter
sight range."

I like that, and maybe to add to that reduce TB sight range abit and increase DB sight
abit. DB and TB should really be equal.

1. LOWER CREW DEATH!!!111!!!!
2. LIMIT LOCALS TO CV2 OR BELOW!!!!111
OR 3. LIMIT LOCALS TO MAX 20 ON A CV!!!!11

that's pretty much it :/

also, bullying is not an issue, if people try to bully me when I play CV, I'll just rush
and die, and it's their lost. (especially when I'm flag. Gotta love rushing as flag)

retarded bb drivers who even with vision SUCK
crew death
dragging fighters being a 'feature' and not an exploit
100+ fighter whored carriers... fighter whoring in general is retarded