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Harbor Limit
06. 14. 2012 04:39
Neat
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With the addition of the 3 new harbors, can the fleet restriction on harbor ownership be decreased, or tweaked? This could set up scenarios where certain fleets are stuck at their respective harbors without being attacked, because now all the other fleets could just attack the other 5 harbors. I would think allowing a fleet to own or attack 3 harbors now would be fair, and still leave 4 other harbors open to fleets who would rather not attack the top fleet/fleets.
*Edit: Another option is Surrender Harbor option.
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Re : Harbor Limit
06. 14. 2012 05:20
Sindher
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BS purposely lost it's harbour through a 'crash' because we knew the new harbours were coming.
CONSPIRACYSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.
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Re : Harbor Limit
06. 14. 2012 05:26
sylwesterph
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Originally Posted by Sindher
BS purposely lost it's harbour through a 'crash' because we knew the new harbours were coming.
CONSPIRACYSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.
Nooo
So I can't use my might Iowa rental in BB/CA rooms? Dam :(
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Re : Harbor Limit
06. 14. 2012 05:32
BernardHenri
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Firstly, I don't play HA. (only played one in my "NF life")
Secondly, I'm pretty sure I won't play HA after this patch.
So if you want to denigrate my post, just use this, it'll be easier.
That being said, I think that adding 3 new harbors could give the opportunity to medium fleets to attack and maybe hold an harbor. Allowing fleet to own 3 harbors would kind of negate it, because it would mean 3 fleets could hold all the harbors, almost the same than now. If two fleets are much stronger than all others, it will leave only 1 harbor really "attackable", quite an improvment, isn't it?
Btw, if a fleet already have 2 harbors and hold them, they may be able able to hold 3. And if they hold 3, you are back to the same point, with a few more rentals.
P.S.: I'm sorry if some of my sentences are not easily understandable, english is not my mother tongue.
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Re : Harbor Limit
06. 14. 2012 05:38
Neat
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Originally Posted by BernardHenri
Firstly, I don't play HA. (only played one in my "NF life")
Secondly, I'm pretty sure I won't play HA after this patch.
So if you want to denigrate my post, just use this, it'll be easier.
That being said, I think that adding 3 new harbors could give the opportunity to medium fleets to attack and maybe hold an harbor. Allowing fleet to own 3 harbors would kind of negate it, because it would mean 3 fleets could hold all the harbors, almost the same than now. If two fleets are much stronger than all others, it will leave only 1 harbor really "attackable", quite an improvment, isn't it?
Btw, if a fleet already have 2 harbors and hold them, they may be able able to hold 3. And if they hold 3, you are back to the same point, with a few more rentals.
P.S.: I'm sorry if some of my sentences are not easily understandable, english is not my mother tongue.
So with a total of 7 harbors, a fleet could own 2 harbors, never get attacked, and will not be able to attack if they are a strong fleet and nobody attacks them. How would this be fair if a fleet that wants to do HA is effectively punished for being good, and not able to do HA?
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Re : Harbor Limit
06. 14. 2012 05:45
BernardHenri
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How would it be fair to all other fleets but this one?
If "a fleet" is that larger/stronger than others that it can hold 2 harbours and never get attacked, I bet they will hold 3 and never get attacked either.
I already said that. I havn't posted here to get caught in a internet debate, but to post my point of view. So I'm out of here!!
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Re : Harbor Limit
06. 14. 2012 05:49
Neat
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Originally Posted by BernardHenri
How would it be fair to all other fleets but this one?
If "a fleet" is that larger/stronger than others that it can hold 2 harbours and never get attacked, I bet they will hold 3 and never get attacked.
I already said that. I havn't posted here to get caught in a internet debate, but to post my point of view. So I'm out of here!!
Well with 4 harbors a fleet could hold 2 or 50%, so we add 3 more making it 7. If we allow fleets to own 3 out of 7 that is actually less percent a fleet could hold then before making it 42.9%. What you might fail to understand is that a fleet owning 3 harbors would be alot of time to commit to HA if say all 3 harbors were attacked in a single weekend. This would be 6 hours of HA defense. If a fleet is willing to defend and participate for up to 6 hrs in a day of defense, then they should have a shot at owning 3 harbors. Or give us the option to "give away" our harbors, so we can attack a harbor and do an HA instead of having nobody attack, and not able to do HA even if we would like to.
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Re : Harbor Limit
06. 14. 2012 06:29
yams42000
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I say leave as is. It will give mor eplayers/fleets teh opurtunity to own,att and defend harbors. thereofre giving the game a posibility of more activity.
And maybe bring some players back...Because the game is not like the pond slim that nevers moves in the corner of the pond :)
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Re : Harbor Limit
06. 14. 2012 06:33
BernardHenri
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Ok, one last try.
Originally Posted by Neat
Well with 4 harbors a fleet could hold 2 or 50%, so we add 3 more making it 7. If we allow fleets to own 3 out of 7 that is actually less percent a fleet could hold then before making it 42.9%.
Nice math, I could have done the same when I was 12 and it doesn't really show anything since we are talking about very of very little numbers (percentages out of 4 or 7 really?)
Btw:
Originally Posted by BernardHenri
Allowing fleet to own 3 harbors would kind of negate it, because it would mean 3 fleets could hold all the harbors, almost the same than now. If two fleets are much stronger than all others, it will leave only 1 harbor really "attackable", quite an improvment, isn't it?
Originally Posted by Neat
What you might fail to understand is that a fleet owning 3 harbors would be alot of time to commit to HA if say all 3 harbors were attacked in a single weekend.
What you seem to fail to understand is your own points: If a fleet is that strong that it doesn't get attacked, it doesn't get attacked... I do fail to see how owning 3 harbours would mean you would get attacked a lot more than when you hold 2. I'll quote you as an answer:
Originally Posted by Neat
So with a total of 7 harbors, a fleet could own 2 harbors, never get attacked, and will not be able to attack if they are a strong fleet and nobody attacks them. How would this be fair if a fleet that wants to do HA is effectively punished for being good, and not able to do HA?
EDIT : A few typos corrected
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Re : Harbor Limit
06. 14. 2012 06:36
Neat
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Originally Posted by BernardHenri
Ok, one last try.
Originally Posted by Neat
Well with 4 harbors a fleet could hold 2 or 50%, so we add 3 more making it 7. If we allow fleets to own 3 out of 7 that is actually less percent a fleet could hold then before making it 42.9%.
Nice math, I could have done the same when I was 12 and it doesn't really show anything since we are talking about very of very little numbers (percentages out of 4 or 7 really?)
Btw:
Originally Posted by BernardHenri
Allowing fleet to own 3 harbors would kind of negate it, because it would mean 3 fleets could hold all the harbors, almost the same than now. If two fleets are much stronger than all others, it will leave only 1 harbor really "attackable", quite an improvment, isn't it?
Originally Posted by Neat
What you might fail to understand is that a fleet owning 3 harbors would be alot of time to commit to HA if say all 3 harbors were attacked in a single weekend.
What you seem to fail to understan is your own points: If a fleet is that strong, it don't get attacked. I do fail to see how owning 3 harbours would mean you would get attacked a lot more than when you hold 2. I'll quote you as an answer:
Originally Posted by Neat
So with a total of 7 harbors, a fleet could own 2 harbors, never get attacked, and will not be able to attack if they are a strong fleet and nobody attacks them. How would this be fair if a fleet that wants to do HA is effectively punished for being good, and not able to do HA?
ok then let fleets that are "stuck" in 2 harbors to give away a harbor so they can attack if they like.
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Re : Harbor Limit
06. 14. 2012 06:46
Vawlkus
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Dammit neat, you stole my point :P
Little history for ya: back before there were harbor limits, RedSky did hold 3 harbors at once, had all three attacked and lost them all ( I think, memory is a little hazy there).
Point is still the same: a single harbor is 3 to 4 hours (2 hours of fight, up to 2 hours of prep time). Just one assault is a good chunk of a day. Two harbors? You're looking at half a day (a Saturday at that). Three harbors? People would have to be nuts to WANT to defend that.
Yeah, Blacksun IS crazy enough to want to defend that }B)
I say raise the limit to three. I SERIOUSLY doubt you'll ever see a thread asking for four.
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