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Italian Rentals
07. 08. 2012 07:26
Subman99
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And just when you thought the RM BB4 was the example of ridiculous.....now we see RM rentals....120+ knots......HOW was this nation releaased?.....DO NOT claim that the ship line was tested....clearly thats a lie, and looking at the previous post about this...which was locked...why? by the way?...to say RIDICULOUS is putting it mildly...and the comment that the players have been asked to return the rentals.....lol....sorry...this just makes the case that Italy should be pulled period! cant wait to see what the RM BB4 RENTAL will be like....just watched a RM BB2 RENTAL that was AROMOR WHORED doing 48 knots and sank nearly every ship in the GB...doing almost 400K attack....to say goodbye to game balance is putting things mildly.....thanks SDE/TNF for a truly EPIC FAIL.....now go ahead and lock and delete this before too many read this.
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Re : Italian Rentals
07. 08. 2012 10:55
ljsevern
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Originally Posted by KinGWaR
Originally Posted by Kilaenots
Originally Posted by BBR_InsUW
Originally Posted by Kilaenots
Ban anyone who uses it.
Oh and before you say you can':
C. Rules Related to Game Play.
(i) You may not use or "exploit" errors in design, features which have not been
documented, and/or "program bugs" to gain access that is otherwise not available, or to obtain a competitive advantage over other players.
Lets just hope that the mods follow the rules and any one using RM rental gets banned.
Actually I would not ban a player for using content that was released m even if poorly designed. This is not the players fault and that is clear.
Not being rude but you are not doing your job then. TNF have made the right call by asking people not to use. But to the letter of this rule people are breaking it. The fact it is there is SDEs fault, the fact people keep using it is exploiting. Any exploit you can say was not a players fault because it was added like that but by using it with the knowledge it is a fault is exploiting. Credit hacks, was it the players fault that there was a way to gain credits, no are they exploiting, yes.
If people are saying ban the rm Rbb players because they are exploiters they should be pushing for the same thin with the regular Rm bb players, cause both are op just one is to a lesser extent. BBr did his job testers did not
Testers did not? SDE never gave us the opportunity to test the rentals.
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Re : Italian Rentals
07. 08. 2012 11:00
KinGWaR
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Tested or not, red flags should come up when values are just flopped together and published, the ships were on the live server for what 3 weeks? And still no one though to glance at it. Also it was known that they were this way on the test server. What the heck happened, why where they still patched??!?
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Re : Italian Rentals
07. 08. 2012 11:00
Kilaenots
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Originally Posted by KinGWaR
Originally Posted by Kilaenots
Originally Posted by BBR_InsUW
Originally Posted by Kilaenots
Ban anyone who uses it.
Oh and before you say you can':
C. Rules Related to Game Play.
(i) You may not use or "exploit" errors in design, features which have not been
documented, and/or "program bugs" to gain access that is otherwise not available, or to obtain a competitive advantage over other players.
Lets just hope that the mods follow the rules and any one using RM rental gets banned.
Actually I would not ban a player for using content that was released m even if poorly designed. This is not the players fault and that is clear.
Not being rude but you are not doing your job then. TNF have made the right call by asking people not to use. But to the letter of this rule people are breaking it. The fact it is there is SDEs fault, the fact people keep using it is exploiting. Any exploit you can say was not a players fault because it was added like that but by using it with the knowledge it is a fault is exploiting. Credit hacks, was it the players fault that there was a way to gain credits, no are they exploiting, yes.
If people are saying ban the rm Rbb players because they are exploiters they should be pushing for the same thin with the regular Rm bb players, cause both are op just one is to a lesser extent. BBr did his job testers did not
Exactly and if you look back I have been saying this all along. Using RM is exploiting, the fact that they are going to be change is acknowledment that they have been implemented incorrectly and therefore the use of them technically breaks this rule. And don't blame the testers they did not want anythign released yet. Also I agree TNF have made the right stance but if the fleets use them after being asked not to then something should be done.
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Re : Italian Rentals
07. 08. 2012 11:15
coyote69
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will u guys stop with the * nf dosnt care about what u guys say .they are just going on like this to get people to quiet playing and play the new nf3d so shut up .and for one other thing most of the fleets on nf cheat at tis game and nf dosnt do athing about it so * off u big cry babys
*edit for profanity. cambsguy*
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Re : Italian Rentals
07. 08. 2012 11:22
Chief0Milo
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Originally Posted by coyote69
will u guys stop with the * nf dosnt care about what u guys say .they are just going on like this to get people to quiet playing and play the new nf3d so shut up .and for one other thing most of the fleets on nf cheat at tis game and nf dosnt do athing about it so * off u big cry babys
Someone wasn't given his meds this morning :o ps. Agree with Kilaenots
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Re : Italian Rentals
07. 08. 2012 11:32
AdmHoliday
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It's not BlackSuns fault this rental situation is there and it was quite funny...the first time it showed up in battle. However, this is an unmistakeable error that provides a clearly unfair competitive advantage above and beyond the BB4 situation (that should have been fixed a long time ago) and therefore when continually used .... is an exploit....it's as simple as that. The classy thing for them to do is to stop using them until fixed.
The only reason BS wanted the RM Harbor is due to the unfair competitive advantages the RM ships and harbor would most likely give...the history of OP ships not being fixed quickly...and the fact we all should have known there would be more show up they could have access to and take advantage ingame with. Not to mention there seems to be reports of this problem being known before going live. There was a clear advantage in going after this harbor with potential for even more. Then again...if they didn't take it...someone else would be trying to exploit just the same.
Anyone could have taken this harbor to start with and we all know that, but we also know that BS was going to take it one way or another, simply because of these advantages. Can't say I blame em either. SDE doesn't seem to worry about it so why shouldn't they take it.
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Re : Italian Rentals
07. 08. 2012 11:34
AlexCaboose
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Originally Posted by Subman99
Originally Posted by AlexCaboose
Originally Posted by Neat
Originally Posted by Kilaenots
Originally Posted by Neat
Well why should BS be punished with not using a rental? If you take the RM rentals away until they are fixed, then all rentals for all nations should be taken away until all fleets owning harbors can have balanced content.
Because they are broken, and using them is exploiting the game to achieve a competative advantage. You can perhaps live with no RM rentals for a week whilst it is sorted or you could just exploit a fault. I know if it were my fleet I wouldn't want to be seen exploiting something. Your choice I guess, oh except for the rule you are breaking.
Its not exploiting anything bud. This was known on the test server, and what was done? It was patched into the game!!! I agree they are severely OP, but if you are going to sideline these rentals, then all rentals should be sidelined until ALL RENTALS are fixed. SDE dropped the ball by releasing OP content without fixing it, when this issue was presented to them from test server participants.
No, it wasn't known. I'm not sure where you even got that notion from. The harbors were bugged on the test server and everyone creating their own fleet and declaring on the new harbors didn't help either. To put it plainly, they weren't able to be tested. Had they been able to, we would have asked them to not be patched in. At this time, we are asking anyone using the RM rentals to please return them and submit a support ticket for a refund of the rental cost.
How can you POSSIBLY SAY it wasn't known?....supposedly ALL ships are run thru the test server to check for errors/flaws....isn't that whats SUPPOSED to happen to all ships BEFORE being released?....so clearly something INCREDIBLY stupid has happened here....now WHAT is SDE/TNF going to do about it?...just asking people NOT to use it is nothing but a bunch of garbage....as stated by others...the EULA CLEARLY states that using or exploiting errors or glitches inthe game is a BANNABLE offense.....so shouldn't that be the SHORT TERM answer to the problem while it's being sorted out?...but to to that it wasn't known is also one of two things...BOTH of them incredibly stupid...either they wern't ever tested.....or someone just shrugged thier shoulders and said who cares....either way...WHY should anyone put any more money into a game that tosses competitive balance out the window because they either didnt know/care?...answer is THEY SHOULDNT.....and with efforts like this...if NF3 ever gets launched....are we going to see the same slipshod/sloppy practices there too?.........
How can I possibly say it wasn't known? Because it wasn't. 1: Random people have created fleets on the test server. They had declared on all 4 harbors as greedy people wanted to see if it were possible. This is not the true purpose of the test server. I am considering asking all account data to be wiped and putting every account into two fleets under our control. 2: Even in the /modechange test mode (which only a few accounts have access to), it was not possible to use the rental ships. Any time we tried to bring one out, we were told that we were not a member of the defending fleet. Which brings me to my next bullet point... 3: The HAs were bugged on the test server too. They were fixed and then patched live within one week. However, without being in a fleet that controls the harbor, there was no way to access the rental ships. TL;DR - We didn't have a chance to test them and had no knowledge of it beforehand. The information has been passed onto the GMs though and I imagine the developers will be working on a fix.
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Re : Italian Rentals
07. 08. 2012 12:04
sacpeja
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Originally Posted by AdmHoliday
It's not BlackSuns fault this rental situation is there and it was quite funny...the first time it showed up in battle. However, this is an unmistakeable error that provides a clearly unfair competitive advantage above and beyond the BB4 situation (that should have been fixed a long time ago) and therefore when continually used .... is an exploit....it's as simple as that. The classy thing for them to do is to stop using them until fixed.
The only reason BS wanted the RM Harbor is due to the unfair competitive advantages the RM ships and harbor would most likely give...the history of OP ships not being fixed quickly...and the fact we all should have known there would be more show up they could have access to and take advantage ingame with. Not to mention there seems to be reports of this problem being known before going live. There was a clear advantage in going after this harbor with potential for even more. Then again...if they didn't take it...someone else would be trying to exploit just the same.
Anyone could have taken this harbor to start with and we all know that, but we also know that BS was going to take it one way or another, simply because of these advantages. Can't say I blame em either. SDE doesn't seem to worry about it so why shouldn't they take it.
Like we need a advantage to compete with other fleets
I was more wondering the stability of the new harbors. But yea u know the rentals would be messed up but not this much. I here the mn rentals are pretty fast to not seen the an but I bet ther mistakes there to.
BS as a fleet is more than capabile of taking on any fleet without the italy harbor
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Re : Italian Rentals
07. 08. 2012 12:23
ljsevern
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Originally Posted by KinGWaR
Tested or not, red flags should come up when values are just flopped together and published, the ships were on the live server for what 3 weeks? And still no one though to glance at it. Also it was known that they were this way on the test server. What the heck happened, why where they still patched??!?
Ask the leaders of the test team, because I know I was never given access to them, otherwise I would have made a huge issue about it.
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Re : Italian Rentals
07. 08. 2012 12:24
ljsevern
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Originally Posted by Kilaenots
Originally Posted by KinGWaR
Originally Posted by Kilaenots
Originally Posted by BBR_InsUW
Originally Posted by Kilaenots
Ban anyone who uses it.
Oh and before you say you can':
C. Rules Related to Game Play.
(i) You may not use or "exploit" errors in design, features which have not been
documented, and/or "program bugs" to gain access that is otherwise not available, or to obtain a competitive advantage over other players.
Lets just hope that the mods follow the rules and any one using RM rental gets banned.
Actually I would not ban a player for using content that was released m even if poorly designed. This is not the players fault and that is clear.
Not being rude but you are not doing your job then. TNF have made the right call by asking people not to use. But to the letter of this rule people are breaking it. The fact it is there is SDEs fault, the fact people keep using it is exploiting. Any exploit you can say was not a players fault because it was added like that but by using it with the knowledge it is a fault is exploiting. Credit hacks, was it the players fault that there was a way to gain credits, no are they exploiting, yes.
If people are saying ban the rm Rbb players because they are exploiters they should be pushing for the same thin with the regular Rm bb players, cause both are op just one is to a lesser extent. BBr did his job testers did not
Exactly and if you look back I have been saying this all along. Using RM is exploiting, the fact that they are going to be change is acknowledment that they have been implemented incorrectly and therefore the use of them technically breaks this rule. And don't blame the testers they did not want anythign released yet. Also I agree TNF have made the right stance but if the fleets use them after being asked not to then something should be done.
Yesterday I said it was disappointing that a TNF member was playing a RM BB4 with a 110+ crew just to farm. He said stop QQ'ing. How professional.
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