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    08. 31. 2009 14:47

HeroesWar
I'm sorry but the old Vanguard needs to be returned along with the new post patch
range then it would be classed as a BB4 not a 3.5.

Needing 3/4+ engins to reach its original speed cap is stupid and the crap turning
force now in place.

The ship was originally classed as a BB3.5 and the only adjustment needed was the
range increase that it has now. Obst and team glazed over the Vanny with technical
info that this ship would come out the other side much much better and be equal to
BB4's when infact it wasn't.

They made the level higher, the ship slower at level, made the turning force much
slower.

They increased the range by a little amount which is not really worth the slow
reload, bad spread and low damage.

Having played on AZ for best part of about 3 years and about 6/7 months on NY I
haven't seen many new Vanny ships about compared to prepatch which is a shame I
usually tend to find myself the only vanny in games 70% of the time

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  • Re : Vanguard Discussion Thread

    04. 06. 2011 13:17

phillipM
im just got my vanguard and yes its a prety goood ship i dont have L guns yet but
its playable the only thing is its kindof weak in fire power but to me i got lvl 89
gunners and useing lvl 89 guns spread is very good or decent most shots

the only thing is i find it slow like heros of war said and in a 1v1 agaisnt anything
your tier and up you will die hard most times

but agaisnt anything else its very good at it but you know its a BB4 it should be able
to take on same tier ships and higher with a better chance

and why cant we put L1 guns on at least the N versions the only bad thing well 2
would be a slower ship and less range but thare would be like a trade off with a bit
faster ship and more range???



but over all its a amazing ship never gonna regret going for it

  • Re : Vanguard Discussion Thread

    04. 06. 2011 12:58

HeroesWar
Vanguard back in the day before it was altered was a BB 3.5 it was a pretty mental
ship and the only thing it would have needed to make it a bb4 would have been
either a range buff or spread buff or both.

Now its just a bloated ship, I can use it and can do well with it but it stands out from
most other ships and doesn't do as well as it should. some games are great with it,
most are fail thats why you wont see many being used.

OBST was part of the altering of the UK ship line however despite being told after
testing the ship was still broken he wasn't too bothered and insisted that nothing
was wrong with it.

To be honest he hated the whole UK line which is why KM got the best alterations
out the the ships classes. Then he left the game what can one say!!!!!

  • Re : Vanguard Discussion Thread

    03. 31. 2011 18:04

phillipM
well thanks for the info but ima still go ahead and try the vanguard(range hell ya???)

  • Re : Vanguard Discussion Thread

    03. 30. 2011 13:41

richardphat
If you dislike the 15", then yea, you will hate it.

  • Re : Vanguard Discussion Thread

    03. 29. 2011 16:52

phillipM
richard you shting me it can only use 15inche duals like only good option!?!?!?!?!?! D:

  • Re : Vanguard Discussion Thread

    03. 29. 2011 16:20

richardphat
It can't carry any of the Lion 1 gun. So it can't use the N 16 gun of L1.


Unless you use Nelson , that is your problem, nerfing your range to ?bb2
range when you are a bb4.

  • Re : Vanguard Discussion Thread

    03. 29. 2011 16:12

phillipM
im about to get the vanguard ive been reading alot of stuff about it but i never see
this question


dose the vanguard work well with 16incheN guns???


thanks guys

  • Re : Vanguard Discussion Thread

    02. 25. 2011 05:11

zecke666
The Mandel is retarded, u cant take it as a reference. The Mandel is better than most BB1 because it
is small, fast, small turning radius and it has the hitting power of a BB2 or PBB. Its more a BC2 then a
PCA. If you compare Mandel with Moltke (which also a nice ship but its better adjusted to balance it)
the Guns make the difference. MN BB1 guns are far to strong and they have ruined Blitz on Yamato
already. On Nebby this isnt a problem anymore due to bigger size of blitz games which denies a too
big impact of MN BBs, but i still think that MN BB guns dont fit to balance it. I dont have the real
values but i think that MN 13" are on paar with RN 15" which should not be hence the calibre size
and being RN the heavy hitters.

  • Re : Vanguard Discussion Thread

    02. 24. 2011 19:27

longbow11
tbh all it needs is a better submergence and speed, it's embarassing when my
mandel(or whatever the french PCA is) can take more hits then my vanny, with less SD

  • Re : Vanguard Discussion Thread

    02. 21. 2011 08:10

mikester
Yeah but no...If you added the L1 16" guns then it would be fat, slow, fat, slow, no
armour, and have no range. Great idea. Really.

I'm ok with the 15" duals, they could upgrade them to 16" duals like the H39 but with
better damage, but if that means losing the 30 degs then I'll stick to the 15"s. Damage
buff could happen either way though. I think the main points however are:

Turning force
Speed OR useable DP
Range OR Damage buff. Not too much mind
Teleport. :)
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