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Vanguard Discussion Thread
08. 31. 2009 14:47

HeroesWar	I'm sorry but the old Vanguard needs to be returned along with the new post patch range then it would be classed as a BB4 not a 3.5. Needing 3/4+ engins to reach its original speed cap is stupid and the crap turning force now in place. The ship was originally classed as a BB3.5 and the only adjustment needed was the range increase that it has now. Obst and team glazed over the Vanny with technical info that this ship would come out the other side much much better and be equal to BB4's when infact it wasn't. They made the level higher, the ship slower at level, made the turning force much slower. They increased the range by a little amount which is not really worth the slow reload, bad spread and low damage. Having played on AZ for best part of about 3 years and about 6/7 months on NY I haven't seen many new Vanny ships about compared to prepatch which is a shame I usually tend to find myself the only vanny in games 70% of the time --------------- Stickied and Title edit by Ljsevern

HeroesWar

I'm sorry but the old Vanguard needs to be returned along with the new post patch
range then it would be classed as a BB4 not a 3.5.

Needing 3/4+ engins to reach its original speed cap is stupid and the crap turning
force now in place.

The ship was originally classed as a BB3.5 and the only adjustment needed was the
range increase that it has now. Obst and team glazed over the Vanny with technical
info that this ship would come out the other side much much better and be equal to
BB4's when infact it wasn't.

They made the level higher, the ship slower at level, made the turning force much
slower.

They increased the range by a little amount which is not really worth the slow
reload, bad spread and low damage.

Having played on AZ for best part of about 3 years and about 6/7 months on NY I
haven't seen many new Vanny ships about compared to prepatch which is a shame I
usually tend to find myself the only vanny in games 70% of the time

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Stickied and Title edit by Ljsevern

Re : Vanguard Discussion Thread
11. 25. 2009 13:16

richardphat	Awesome! Hood and Vanny sounds like hardcore :) I don't regret classing in HOOD line !!! Btw, there is no sarcasm :P

Re : Vanguard Discussion Thread
11. 25. 2009 11:34

hidden69	It used to be that BB3 ships used BB4 guns (NorCar, Nelly), now BB4s are more useable with BB3 guns. The solution is not going vanguard line, or using your BB3 till the Lion2, which was more or less always the way for players who went vanguard line (either from vanguard lvl 83 or now from POW, Hood or Nelly). Anyway my vanguard is only in shipyard as reminder for a fine guy who died, otherwise i would have dismissed it. Oh and to avoid another lock ... could all threads with 100 answers be locked aswell cause its timewasting to click like a madman until you reach the end of an endless thread.

hidden69

It used to be that BB3 ships used BB4 guns (NorCar, Nelly), now BB4s are more useable with
BB3 guns.

The solution is not going vanguard line, or using your BB3 till the Lion2, which was more
or less always the way for players who went vanguard line (either from vanguard lvl 83 or
now from POW, Hood or Nelly).

Anyway my vanguard is only in shipyard as reminder for a fine guy who died, otherwise i
would have dismissed it.

Oh and to avoid another lock ... could all threads with 100 answers be locked aswell cause
its timewasting to click like a madman until you reach the end of an endless thread.

Re : Vanguard Discussion Thread
11. 25. 2009 10:12

JosephLittle	So using BB3 guns is the solution? Whatever floats your boat I guess.

Re : Vanguard Discussion Thread
11. 25. 2009 10:03

Kopciu	if u use "weak setup" then ship is weak :) </img> :) last FW against Playmates :) played against L1s, iowas, and other Vanguards... i play with 3x16", the range is bad, but dmg is great... i can easly oneshot other bb4 (not armored), and need 1,5 salvo to kill bb5.... vanguard is a great ship, u must just learn how to use it, so it will fit to your play- style :) so stop whining and start to test others solutions :)

Kopciu

if u use "weak setup" then ship is weak :)

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:) last FW against Playmates :) played against L1s, iowas, and other Vanguards...

i play with 3x16", the range is bad, but dmg is great... i can easly oneshot other bb4
(not armored), and need 1,5 salvo to kill bb5....

vanguard is a great ship, u must just learn how to use it, so it will fit to your play-
style :) so stop whining and start to test others solutions :)

Re : Please return Vanguard to what it was
10. 25. 2009 05:19

JosephLittle	"Has anyone ever tested the new vanny to see what kind of damage it does with a full salvo on a BB5/6 unarmoured? I mean in the sense of not an attack score but how much a 30 degree hit from a Vanny can take the DP down and screen shotted it? " -Roughly 26k. Depends on the target as well.

Re : Please return Vanguard to what it was
10. 21. 2009 21:04

Ziro820	From my tries at this, 1 full salvo on any BB5 unarmored will not move their DP more than 1/10 or some such small amount. Any BB5 with 900 SD will be able to take at least 3 hits from a Vanny before sinking. But let's wait on the actual proof from hero, the above was just what I remember.

Re : Please return Vanguard to what it was
10. 21. 2009 09:20

HeroEnVec	you're limited by spread. You have to fire gradual one turret at ta time and average the damage done by the hits. I suppose I could do this tonight...

Re : Please return Vanguard to what it was
10. 21. 2009 04:57

HeroesWar	Has anyone ever tested the new vanny to see what kind of damage it does with a full salvo on a BB5/6 unarmoured? I mean in the sense of not an attack score but how much a 30 degree hit from a Vanny can take the DP down and screen shotted it?

Re : Please return Vanguard to what it was
10. 21. 2009 01:34

hp78	Full crew, bo, gunners, 1 scout, 3reps, 6 engies Went 41 knts as soon as I got the vanny and 42 when I almost got to 100.

Re : Please return Vanguard to what it was
10. 21. 2009 01:08

sitkua	@GoldMountain With 120 gunners, the "apparent" reload time for vanny's guns is a bit long, but i think this is because they are 30-degree guns. The hang time of the gun fire is relatively short compared to iowa's guns, so it appears that u cannot fire another salvo immediately after the first one hits. @above maybe you didnt put full crews on?

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