I feel the spread isnt good considering the shell damage of the thing, it's not a bad ship
at all but its tough to play.

"me and monty were parked parallel, not moving, guns were fixed at him at 10
degrees
first shot hit him second shot missed cause of bad spread
sometimes spread is good, other times its hopeless
for your info my accuracy is normally around 30%"

Like I said your aim was off. The first salvo was a chance hit. Shooting at 10 degrees
would mean a flatter trajectory. A 'bad spread' would yield a variance of .2~.5 degrees
off, they'd still hit.

Do note I didn't bring up on anything about damage in my post.

listen to what i said dopeybrain,

me and monty were parked parallel, not moving, guns were fixed at him at 10
degrees
first shot hit him second shot missed cause of bad spread
sometimes spread is good, other times its hopeless
for your info my accuracy is normally around 30%

how is it balanced when i have to shoot a same level bb4 twice as many times as he
has to shoot me?

i cant believe half the people are that dumb in this game but then again when most
still fail to scout maybe not!
its always fun when a vanny tries to take me on in my L2 - the guns do nothing -
they are weedy little peashooters.

"the spread is a joke, even with 170 vets, i played a 1vs1 game with a monty parked
up parallel at 10 degrees guns, the first shot hit and the second missed at point
blank

crap or what?"

Your aim? Yes it's crap.

"try to sink a sub or small ship and your lucky to get 1 shell per salvo
even trying to sink a L1 is misson impossible"

Hitting small ships is a challenge in the vanny, but not impossible. During the later part
of vanny->l2 grind, I was able to land at least half a salvo on food/subs, so long as they
are parallel. Oh and L1s are the easiest bb4 to kill in a vanny.

"its just so boring running with your tail between your legs hoping some moron is
going to chase you"

That's one tactic or you could take the initiative and start doing slingshot, your shells
have less hangtime than most of the other ships, your shells land, they splash. Nobody's
forcing you to play KM style. Hell, I would advice you to rush a bb5 in a vanny if it was
a 1 v 1 situation.

I don't really have anything to contribute except I've played the Vanny longer than the
guy 2 posts above. 83-103 x2. I agree that the H39 should be the only BB4 that ranges it
because of the weak shell dmg compared to the Iowa, Yammy and L1.

i love the vanny. idk what people say but if played right it is a great ship. stat-wise its it
isn't the best, i prefer it to L1 but iowa is still the best.

always makes me laugh reading the posts of people about the vanny

as ive played it for probably longer than anyone else in the game 83 -103 i think im
fairely qualified to say its total junk.

what is with the people that say at level 120 its good? it certainly isnt good at the
90s
where are all these people that claim they get 150k per game? cause everytime i
see one (high level or not) they get 2 shotted everytime.

an un-named player much higher lvl than me, tried to prove how good it was, i got a
full salvo on them then they hid at the back for the rest of the game.

the spread is a joke, even with 170 vets, i played a 1vs1 game with a monty parked
up parallel at 10 degrees guns, the first shot hit and the second missed at point
blank

crap or what?

try to sink a sub or small ship and your lucky to get 1 shell per salvo
even trying to sink a L1 is misson impossible

its just so boring running with your tail between your legs hoping some moron is
going to chase you

a full salvo is only going to get you 20k where as a bb5 can do 50k and probably
every other bb4 does atleast 30k

but now i dont care as i dont have it anymore, but can laugh at all the current vanny
players

I think it was 21.

What was the original turning force of the Vanguard?

I am just going to approach this "Anew" and see if my opinions have shifted any...

@ above: 19 is the BB4 turning force... generally speaking. If the true range of vanny
was extended to near that of H39, I doub't we'd be having this conversation... all other
things being equal that is.

then the top two long range BB4 would be H39 and vanny.

Proposed:
H39: longest range, Weakest shells, higher durability, Excellent AA, more scouts, 1 less
crew slot, KM rep.
Vanny: Slightly less range, Stronger shells than H39, slightly less durability, poor AA,
less scouts, more crew slots, UK rep.

Both ships would go 42 knts at speed cap and no armor whatsoever. With any real addition
of belt or bulge speed would drop to 40. With a full AA load out speed would Stay at 40.
Speed cap for vanny should be more easily attainable than for KM as vanny struggles in
the AA department.