Personally I think that if they are going to make Vanny a BB4 then they should allow
for the L1s 16" turrents, becuase the 15" duals are pitiful at the least, I mean they
are at about a 28K braodside and thats lower than a lot of the BB1s, and the spread
is all over the place, I have lvl 115 Elite Acc gunners with blockshot with every gun
but the 15" duals they are all over the place and even when i do get a decent
spread its weaker then my Revenge lol. They need to either give the Vanny the L1's
trip 16"s or give the 15" duals more firepower and fix the spread, its a really big let
down when you are getting ranged and out powered by KM ships; since they nerfed
the speed it has made it slow out ranged out powered and all around hurting. Its
now a let down they need to help the ol' Vanny out here.

vanguards an "ok" ship. ok is acceptable an all but since when is a
bb4 "acceptable" it push no REAL advantage that i am aware of and is not even realy
pushing second best in most fields. its a shame realy as its my favourite ship and its
intended play style is a fun one. it wont get fixed. i guess its ok i still love the ship(just
not its place in the pecking order.)

Vanny doesn't range any BB5 that I am aware of. However that wouldn't matter
either way 1 hit from a bb5 ship almost cripples the Vanny if not on shotted.

I'm speaking from a point of view from actually using this ship to level to L2 and I
can assure you it was one hell of a grind compared to using a L1

I think at this moment in time now the state the game is in they wont do anything
with the ship now which is a shame because there are aspects of it that need fixing
which is why you dont see many of them in game.

Most BB4 wont bother with the Vanny because its not a feared ship while there are
BB3 on the playing field they are more of a threat. unless you are a competent
player that can adjust to the play style of the Vanguard and its downfalls you may
stand a chance but if you get left out on your own in the battle field you are an open
target from most ships BB3 and up as well as getting bombed to hell and back.

If they manage to sort out the servers I might come back into the game to play as I
still persist with the Vanguard even with crew 105-112 in level but as is bismark is
pitfull to get a game going and once in you can be out in 5 mins and wait 20 for
another.

I did a long time ago send in about 15 screen shots of the poor bugged spread of
the vanny support said it looked fine to them "huh"!!!

The Vanguard is not a rotten ship...I got it about a week ago and my crew are below level
(just) and from the good old days of +10 and +11 will do, and they work fine, but I
currently only do about 25/37 i think...anyway, back to the point, despite it's slow
speed, I absolutely love it. I played an L1 on a friend's account (Crew almost at L2
level) to test it, and also on the test servers, and I should say that my BB line was the
PoW which i did fine with, yet i have so much more fun with the vanny that I did with the L1.

Granted it's weak, but therein lies its advantage, people rarely shoot you when there's a
bb3+ around because they think you can't do anything and you end up getting the kill...I
think my favourite would be a 1v1 with a yammy, both scouted, both at approx full d.p. we
were the last bbs and only my team's flag was left but it only had a few fighters and no
bombers, and using the slight angle slingshot method (regardless of if it gives you more
range/better accuracy) (about 10 degrees either side of the horizontal max
turning...amount) I managed to avoid all the yammy's shells (yes, quite probably due to
it's 45deg guns) and kill him in approx 3 salvos. Mostly a line battle so I had a big
target, but it goes to show.

As for range, IIRC it has approximately the same range as the L2...I shall see if i can
get a screenie next time i'm on, but we did test it once and I think the L2 had maybe
0.5-1mm over it max, approximately in the centre of each splash. Just something to think
about. And yes i'm sure we were both using the L versions of our guns with LHE. I believe
that the MN bb5 is supposed to have the worst bb5 range (correct me if i'm wrong) and so
by that, the vanny should by all means range the alsace so...

Why ?

Why they had transformed the Vanguard into a rotten ship?

This very difficult to even play against the cursed EBB3

You make right 3 shots and them they do not die, they to give two and you already
were?
To maneuver the Vanguard this equal one to lead a truck?It was not thus I behind
caught when it to one year?He seems until a Iowa to maneuver excessively heavy.

Why they had transformed the Vanguard into a rotten ship?

can't say, since I diden't play it pre-patch.

all I know it's a KM type ship and it's weaker then H39 and it can only range Rich and
L1...lol

1st opptions would be:

- more range, more resiliant, spread fix on 15'' guns allready -.-

2nd opption would be:

- leave range, more resiliant, more dmg per shell(something betwin L1 and current
Vanny dmg)

as for more resiliant...I mean it should be able to take more hits...when a H39 1hits
you or cripples you with 1 salvo...then you know something is wrong -.-(no not
criticals)

just my 2 cents

cheers
Megadone

There are issues with the ship and to be honest I dont think anything will be done
about it.

For me the perfect Vanguard would be pre-patch with post patch range then I would
say it would be on par?

no...and don't use nerfing+vangrourd in same sentence IMO, it needs at least 2
buffs min. to be on pair with other BB4, it's playable now...but it's not at pair with
other BB4.

cheers
Megadone

any update on buffin/nerfin the vangod ??

His screenshots are correct for actual gun ranges, but not for effective gun ranges; As
they do not take into account hitboxes.

When you take into account hitboxes, Iowa outranges Vanny. But the Vanguard guns
outrange the Iowa guns.

If that makes sense.

Also, the range of the Iowa guns are more consistent than the vanguard guns due to
the angle.