okay let's make a deal.  $SE will implement sonar on all ships and will give auto phh (like our auto AA).  Then when someone asks for something so retarded to be removed, I'll just demand that they say how it unbalances the game and harass them for daring to ask for some semblence of reality or so much as a hope for common sense.

 

Oh, I'm tired of dbs killing me in my bb, so let's add an automatic 20" of deck to all BB class ships (no reason for CVs to have it, dbs aren't a threat to them just as subs clearly are only a threat to CVs).  That shouldn't affect game balance at all.

 

Oh I know, planes should be AA imune at the very beginning because all that aaw is really annoying to my tbs.  That shouldn't affect game balance either.

 

Oh yeah, let's implement a system of quick-fix bonuses too.  Why not?

 

The point is that there is as much basis for a CV to have sonar as there is for scouts to drop sonobuoys or BBs to have mass accelerator cannons. 

Hello kettle, this is pot...... You're black.

key phrase bud they didnt have sonar

yeah it is isnt it. lol but seriously a bb can out run a dived sub and if it has hedge hogs it can fire back or just run till it has to surface. last i checked a sonar man at level 90 on a cv has much more sight range then the range of subs torps. making it possible for them to Hedge hog it while keeping just out of range of the subs torps. sure a dd/cl can do this too but they are designed for the task and much easier to sink requiring 1-2 torps not 6-10

Wrong, it is completely possible, see people do it every few games.



My statistics are @ 23.5% +- 2.3% carry HH. So obviously no where near "almost all"

So its fair for someone with no ASW or sonar to fight a sub?
So its fair for someone with no AA to be bombed?
So its fair for someone in a CV to be shelled by a BB?
So its fair for a sub out of air to be full salvoed on the surface?
So its fair for someone with no idea on how to play the game to be forced to play against people who do?
So its fair for someone who knows how to play the game, to be stucked with a team that doesn't against a team that does.
So its fair for someone to be alone on Bravo versus the entire room.
So its fair for fleets to lose harbors to desyncs and mass crashes.


Get the point? Games and life are not fair. 

 

 

 

Escort carriers were given an ASW role by carrying dive bombers.  They would scout for subs on the surface and then bomb them.  The DID NOT have sonar.  They DID have ASW escort ships such as DDs and CLs though.

 

 

I once sank all 5 subs on the opposing team with my Somers and I had only just begun playing the game.  I ran 4 R-slots with hh (regular) and 3 T-slots with dc.  It worked like a charm.  A DD is rarely outnumbered by subs unless he's dumb enough to go rush one head-on.

Maybe if people would offer some advice instead of making up dumb words like "noob" and throwing them around as if they mean something until they finally do, our new players might learn more and become more useful. 

CVs should not have sonar.  You continue to cry that subs sink them but you refuse to justify giving them sonar in any meaningful way.  By your reasoning so far, CVs should have sonar because they are too slow to run from a sub.  Well 99% of CVs sunk by subs are those that never move from the starting point or don't know how to avoid torps and usually turn right into them or turn the wrong way and swing their stern into them while they try to avoid them.   The answer then is learning how to dodge torps and not sit idly waiting to be torped in the first place. 

If CVs (by your reasoning) should be equipped with sonar, than so should BBs and CAs.  That should counter the sub threat.  In fact, just do away with sub's ability to submerge.  Then no one will need sonar.

This is not a whine thread, I don't use subs.  This is a call for common sense.  Deep down you know full well that CVs should not have sonar, yet still you argue. 

Actually, I'm sure most of us agree that NO SHIP should NOT have sonar in the game.

It is my belief that no ship in this entire game should not be able to be seen by any opposing ship. Every ship class should have the ability to have Sonar of they choose to place a Sonarman on a support slot. If they choose not to equip one to see enemy subs then that is their own choice, but at least give them the OPTION to do it!

It is also my belief that SDE should have never removed the mini-map recognition of showing an enemy's red dot even if they are under a cloud or a smoke bomb if the area around them is scouted enough to have them in sight range (even if just on the edge of the sight range).

TL;DR = No ship in Navyfield should be able to be an "unseen" threat by default. Every ship should have the option to use sailors to allow them to be seen at certain ranges.