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  • Remove Sonar From CVs

    04. 22. 2013 11:18

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PictWarrior1

 

Please explain to me why CVs in NF have the ability to use sonar?  Do we no longer start players out in ASW capable ships?  Are we telling them that we have no use for teamwork savvy players who wish to escort capital ships? 

 

A support ticket on this subject told me that because CVs did not have the ability to see submarines when the game started, that they were given sonar to counter the submarine threat.  Well BBs, BCs, and CAs can't see submarines either so when will they be given sonar?  In fact, just remove the need for sonar altogether and allow everyone to see submarines no matter where they are.

 

Never in the history of mankind has sonar ever been successfully implemented on a carrier.  Capital ships make entirely too much self-noise.  If a CV were to be fitted with sonar, the only thing it would hear would be the sound of its own screws and engines.  Nevermind the sound of catapults, aircraft engines and propellers, steam, and arrestor cables and machinery. 

 

The idea of a CV being sonar capable is completely laughable.  And don't give me crap about NF =/= RL.  There has to be some basis in reality or we'd be using rail guns, jets, and satellite superlasers.

 

How am I qualified to argue against CVs using sonar?  I was a Sonar Technician in the United States Navy.  I know exactly how loud a CV is.  We could hear one pulling out of San Diego when our DDG was just leaving Hawaii.  It's no secret.

 

So what big spending, influential CV player cried to the GMs and managed to convince them that the loudest class of warship on the planet is sonar capable?  Because I want to cry to that same GM that my New York should be able to bounce Kaiser shells.  After all, a QV can, why shouldn't  my ebb1?

 

Or, if CVs should continue to use sonar, lets just let everyone use it and remove the lower level ASW ships from the game entirely.  If we are going to remove their purpose, why not remove them entirely?

 

Oh, and for the record:  I don't drive subs so this isn't a long-winded complaint about being sunk by a CV that could see me.

 

This is just an argument for sanity, common sense, and game balance.

 

 

  • Re : Remove Sonar From CVs

    06. 20. 2013 16:32


AdmSevicson

No

  • Re : Remove Sonar From CVs

    06. 24. 2013 18:57


weylin

Honestly if anything larger than a CL wants to see enemy submarines, they should call on the help of smaller ships.

 

The problem, though, is that new players initially take on an anti-ship role, which is fine for blitz, but utterly useless in GBs as they can be repelled even by CV defense cannons.

 

There should be mention in the game about the ASW role, maybe a way to adopt a newb and reward them for their help.

  • Re : Remove Sonar From CVs

    06. 25. 2013 02:09


merlot

I completely agree with pictwarrior!

  • Re : Remove Sonar From CVs

    06. 25. 2013 05:38


leadcatcher

      erm, really.... ?  watching a sub get hit by 3 or 4 18" shells at point blank range by a BB6 and then submerging.... now thats laughable... i run severall CV's but don't waste a slot for sonar....it is a good idea though, maybe i'll try it. But i never really had a problem HHing them while they attack the BB line. I don't care either way but i do feel a CV with sonar really is the only SS support for a BB in game at this time. I do like the idea of scouts having the ability to drop bouys (hint. hint. ) lol, just kidding.


      I understand why you made the post. I like the idea of lower lvl players having more of a role, the problem is no stays that low for long..  




oh-yeah just for the record... I served my time as ASW support but like everyone says not enuff xp at higher lvls.....it was fun loading a kita up with HH and sub sinking, now it just costs to much with little in return.    

  • Re : Remove Sonar From CVs

    07. 04. 2013 08:57


DonH

Big REC for Pict

CV sonar makes no sense, this makes the CV the best ASW when CVs are ment to be SS food, the prob is the same as always none play DD anymore...

Off topic: This game is focused on playing capital ships, leaving scort ships on a dark corner, they forget that modern gaming use the SUPPORT ROLE as one of the more important in their games, u can see it on othe games like LOL, SC2, WoT etc etc etc
This game will die (NFEU already has dead, this is the next) if we not overcome the mayor problems of NF: torps, AA, ASW, and high tier DD,CL,CA and until we dont get a competitive gamemode in which u can choose ur temm8s to not depend on ppl u dont know to light the enemy or to scort u, like it happens every day on GBs

  • Re : Remove Sonar From CVs

    07. 16. 2013 20:38


ChicagoBears

Originally Posted by DonH

Big REC for Pict

CV sonar makes no sense, this makes the CV the best ASW when CVs are ment to be SS food, the prob is the same as always none play DD anymore...

Off topic: This game is focused on playing capital ships, leaving scort ships on a dark corner, they forget that modern gaming use the SUPPORT ROLE as one of the more important in their games, u can see it on othe games like LOL, SC2, WoT etc etc etc
This game will die (NFEU already has dead, this is the next) if we not overcome the mayor problems of NF: torps, AA, ASW, and high tier DD,CL,CA and until we dont get a competitive gamemode in which u can choose ur temm8s to not depend on ppl u dont know to light the enemy or to scort u, like it happens every day on GBs


Really? CVs are meant* to be SS food? That is exactly what CVs are not meant to be, there are no ships that were made to be food for subs. Submarines aren't handed ships that were made for them to sink in the game, they have to actually earn the xp they get from sinking CVs.

  • Re : Remove Sonar From CVs

    07. 16. 2013 21:30


burger101

Just get rid of subs so we can stop arguing...

  • Re : Remove Sonar From CVs

    07. 17. 2013 02:49


woodskier

Originally Posted by burger101

Just get rid of subs so we can stop arguing...




Fact: The topic is " remove sonar from CV"  

Fact: The game is marketed as a w w 2 game.   CV 's did not have sonar in w w 2.  
  

  • Re : Remove Sonar From CVs

    07. 17. 2013 04:45


jamirogalo

Comedy suggestion....lol!

  • Re : Remove Sonar From CVs

    07. 17. 2013 06:34


flaggelant

Originally Posted by woodskier

Originally Posted by burger101

Just get rid of subs so we can stop arguing...




Fact: The topic is " remove sonar from CV"  

Fact: The game is marketed as a w w 2 game.   CV 's did not have sonar in w w 2.  
  



but cv's did play an important role in ASW suring WW2.
so as long as there's no aircraft with a specific asw function the sonar is fine with me. 

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