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    10. 01. 2013 19:00


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  • Re : EBB / ECV Release - October 2013

    10. 03. 2013 05:04


nyerkovic

Originally Posted by ubootwaffe99

Where J39 stend is it beter than H44 ?  



If J39 was intended to be better than the H44, it would have been a higher level. H44 is better.



Originally Posted by johnichus

It is stupid that making a slow ship without much armor and bulge nowadays.
The engine capacity is 285 as same as H39/H41.
Why it cannot even run like a H44 23/39!?? 
 
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How abt KM's BBs =.=|| 

 

I suggest you re-read the explanation about the role of this new ships.
You are comparing ships in here that have nothing to be compared.

H44 is a higher level and it will be better, Vanguard is from another nation and a lower level so it will have different characteristics and a lower level will be generally faster.

KM BBs do not rely on armor nor speed to do their job, they rely on AA and on range and the J39 has the best range before the BB6 tier. 

With all respect, if you reason to become food is the speed, I suggest you rethink the way you play KM. 


Originally Posted by ubootwaffe99

EBBs was before beter ships than regular if you want to make player base intrest for it than EBB should be beter than normal BB 
Last time test team was talking EBBs are for lvling OK , but why than J39 99lvl have 1 support slot less than H41 which is 96lvl ??? and why this low lvl difrence 3lvl , if i have h41&j39 i will use h41 3lvl fail ! and i wil have pain in head because of i lose one support slot is beter to lvl on h41 to h44 without J39
Why new EBBs dont fill the GAP betwean bb5&6 on about 110lvl or add regular ship in that space , who nead 3lvl difrence ships with biger lvl have less suports

 

This ships are an alternative to the usual leveling platforms, they are intended as ships for fun and can be very good for HA purposes. Think of them as how rentals are.

This EBBs are still better than their regular BB hulls (BB4 hulls with BB5 guns).

We are eventually expecting a tier that will come with BB5 hulls, which is why this ships are not intended to fill the gap between BB5&6.

All this is in the explanation thread about this ship line, so I suggest you re-read it. 

  • Re : EBB / ECV Release - October 2013

    10. 03. 2013 06:18


Ruza_CZ

Originally Posted by ubootwaffe99

What is speed of j39 37knt ???? max?
EBBs was before beter ships than regular if you want to make player base intrest for it than EBB should be beter than normal BB 
Last time test team was talking EBBs are for lvling OK , but why than J39 99lvl have 1 support slot less than H41 which is 96lvl ??? and why this low lvl difrence 3lvl , if i have h41&j39 i will use h41 3lvl fail ! and i wil have pain in head because of i lose one support slot is beter to lvl on h41 to h44 without J39
Why new EBBs dont fill the GAP betwean bb5&6 on about 110lvl or add regular ship in that space , who nead 3lvl difrence ships with biger lvl have less suports

H41 use BB4 guns

J39 use BB5 guns (4x2, for exaple MN have only 8 BB5 guns Missuri 9 BB5) that is litter weaker BB5.

H41 have better speed J39 range and dmg, you can try whot is better for you.

  • Re : EBB / ECV Release - October 2013

    10. 03. 2013 06:21


Ruza_CZ

Originally Posted by johnichus

It is stupid that making a slow ship without much armor and bulge nowadays.
The engine capacity is 285 as same as H39/H41.
Why it cannot even run like a H44 23/39!?? 
 
I am angry and sad when i saw the speed of the new RN eBB  Vanguard 1946 is 25/42.
How come it is the slowest bb around bb4-5!?
I dun think it's fair to km when RN, RM, IJN is with high dps and good speed.
The advantage of range is just very little for bb5.

Fine, you tell me y should i use a ebb4.5 with 0.2 belt armor and 8 bulge in GB.
Why i dun use h44 instead of it?? (H44 with AA setup can still run 23/39 with 233 engine)  

The problem is that km ship should not be slow or it becomes food for bb3-6.
The fire power, speed, armor, size, turning speed are bad which makes it like a exp giving machine.
RN fire power+armor -slow speed ok
USS high angle attack, ok damage - slow speed quite ok
IJN high angle attack, good damage -slow speed ok
SN high angle attack, high damage good range -slow speed ok
MN EXCELLENT SPEED, good turing speed, high damage of front guns -speed is ok too
RM low angle fast gun with good damage, small size -slow speed ok

How abt KM's BBs =.=|| 

HMM Vany 46 have speed only 25/42, that I can reach with my normal Vany all 120 lvl sailor on it. From my point of wiev a little diepoint on that "slow" speed

  • Re : EBB / ECV Release - October 2013

    10. 03. 2013 08:06


johnichus

Originally Posted by nyerkovic

I suggest you re-read the explanation about the role of this new ships. 

You are comparing ships in here that have nothing to be compared.

H44 is a higher level and it will be better, Vanguard is from another nation and a lower level so it will have different characteristics and a lower level will be generally faster.

KM BBs do not rely on armor nor speed to do their job, they rely on AA and on range and the J39 has the best range before the BB6 tier. 

With all respect, if you reason to become food is the speed, I suggest you rethink the way you play KM. 



Rely on AA, on range (the range advantage is really small compare to other bb4/5 1mm-5mm??) that why i need speed to surive in GB.
Many fast rushers are in GB now but the fire power and reload speed of km gun is not good to counter-strike other bb4/5.
It is reasonable that J39 run 23/39 with normal setup such as h39/h41/h44 (all can run 23/39 at least) 

 

  • Re : EBB / ECV Release - October 2013

    10. 03. 2013 08:24


nyerkovic

Originally Posted by johnichus

Rely on AA, on range (the range advantage is really small compare to other bb4/5 1mm-5mm??) that why i need speed to surive in GB. 

Many fast rushers are in GB now but the fire power and reload speed of km gun is not good to counter-strike other bb4/5.
It is reasonable that J39 run 23/39 with normal setup such as h39/h41/h44 (all can run 23/39 at least) 

You need slingshooting and range management while using AA to blind enemy ships. The Kaiser for example (BB6) is one of the slowest BB6s in the game, but with the above elements it becomes one of the best to use in a competitive environment. That is how KM is played, not with speed.

There are other nations that rely on speed, KM isn't one, sorry.

If you wish to discuss KM traits and how it applies here, we can continue in the KM forum.

  • Re : EBB / ECV Release - October 2013

    10. 03. 2013 08:26


firezmissles

Originally Posted by Ruza_CZ

Originally Posted by johnichus

It is stupid that making a slow ship without much armor and bulge nowadays.
The engine capacity is 285 as same as H39/H41.
Why it cannot even run like a H44 23/39!?? 
 
I am angry and sad when i saw the speed of the new RN eBB  Vanguard 1946 is 25/42.
How come it is the slowest bb around bb4-5!?
I dun think it's fair to km when RN, RM, IJN is with high dps and good speed.
The advantage of range is just very little for bb5.

Fine, you tell me y should i use a ebb4.5 with 0.2 belt armor and 8 bulge in GB.
Why i dun use h44 instead of it?? (H44 with AA setup can still run 23/39 with 233 engine)  

The problem is that km ship should not be slow or it becomes food for bb3-6.
The fire power, speed, armor, size, turning speed are bad which makes it like a exp giving machine.
RN fire power+armor -slow speed ok
USS high angle attack, ok damage - slow speed quite ok
IJN high angle attack, good damage -slow speed ok
SN high angle attack, high damage good range -slow speed ok
MN EXCELLENT SPEED, good turing speed, high damage of front guns -speed is ok too
RM low angle fast gun with good damage, small size -slow speed ok

How abt KM's BBs =.=|| 

HMM Vany 46 have speed only 25/42, that I can reach with my normal Vany all 120 lvl sailor on it. From my point of wiev a little diepoint on that "slow" speed

Exactly. EBBs have slighty better stats, with an extra support slot and speed. EBB Vanguard does not have the latter. I don't have it to check, but can I assume that the increased shell weight fixed the joke of a 24k salvo?

 

These EBBs are either stronger BB4s or weaker BB5s, which would have been fine if the weaker BB5 version didnt have 1 less support slot. If they are advertised as grinders, why would anyone take it? You'd be getting more exp from higher lvl hull and better guns but in exchange your gap between BB4 and EBB is larger and you don't get a support slot. Compare to BB4 and the other EBB which has a smaller gap to start the increased exp sooner, and starting to generate exp for your additional sailor. Leaving that sailor behind lvl 96 to 103 ends in giving up about 5 million exp. The EBBs with gimped BB5 power are only good for the fun of running around with BB5 armed BB4 hulls. So then, why the hell would anybody get the EBB Shinano? Lol.

 

I'm not getting the new MN EBB when my Clemenceau is faster, holds an extra support slot, has the same salvo damage when equipped with the EBB1 duals on the rear T slots(which I now see is intended. The patch notes state Jean has less T slot space. That was too limit its firepower no?) and it's a lot more fun.

  • Re : EBB / ECV Release - October 2013

    10. 03. 2013 08:35


ubootwaffe99

Originally Posted by War5pite

If you dont like it soo much dont use it, use your H-41, or even better do some grinding and get a H-44, dont get the Kaiser though you may complain its too slow at 37 knots and ranging everything else.

Considering the J-39 has range, reload, damage, AA, I find it amusing that people still complain thats not enough.



I have Kaiser and its best BB6 in my opinion
And have masive range adventage over other ships , if he is faster will be OP like lion2 in bb5 tier 

J39 have range lol , I didnt play new ships never but on this forum i can see RN vangard can go 42knt and useing lion2 guns which have almost same range as h44 guns (h44 have max 2mm more range) 

So please shut up 

I can see in this test team just Km haters (if RN realy go 42knt with lion2 guns)

  • Re : EBB / ECV Release - October 2013

    10. 03. 2013 08:41


nyerkovic

Originally Posted by ubootwaffe99

....on this forum i can see RN vangard can go 42knt and useing lion2 guns which have almost same range as h44 guns (h44 have max 2mm more range) 



Please point out where it says that, because it is completely inaccurate.

  • Re : EBB / ECV Release - October 2013

    10. 03. 2013 08:46


johnichus

Originally Posted by nyerkovic

You need slingshooting and range management while using AA to blind enemy ships. The Kaiser for example (BB6) is one of the slowest BB6s in the game, but with the above elements it becomes one of the best to use in a competitive environment. That is how KM is played, not with speed.


There are other nations that rely on speed, KM isn't one, sorry.

If you wish to discuss KM traits and how it applies here, we can continue in the KM forum.


1st my post just forcus on j39. I found that new uss ebb4.5 is run 23/39 that's ok.
j39 with AA runs 22/37 like a kaiser with less fire power and 2support slots. 


Compare to bb6 is meaningless.
Do you know the range of h44 is just like L2(1mm advantage ok u may call it advantage but wt is Lion2 high fire power/AW with good support) slingshooting is a dangerours moment with a large bb especially vs high dps bb5 with near zero range advantage.
I dun need the j39  to 25/42 24/40.
plz give me j39 23/39 with normal setting

  • Re : EBB / ECV Release - October 2013

    10. 03. 2013 08:58


nyerkovic

Originally Posted by johnichus

Compare to bb6 is meaningless.

Do you know the range of h44 is just like L2(1mm advantage ok u may call it advantage but wt is Lion2 high fire power/AW with good support) slingshooting is a dangerours moment with a large bb especially vs high dps bb5 with near zero range advantage.
I dun need the j39  to 25/42 24/40.
plz give me j39 23/39 with normal setting



Quoting the BB6 is not meaningless, it shows you what the nation is able to do when played correctly in similar situations.

Slingshoting is a dangerous moment, sure, but when done right it can't be matched. KM is a very dificult nation to master, specifically because of this. The playstyle is very unique, but it is one of the best nations available when this is achieved. 

"plz give me j39 23/39 with normal setting" -> You want an H44, this is not it. Sorry.

The J39 has more power and more range than a BB4 and has less speed than the BB5, that is the place where it needs to be and when played correctly, it can be quite an advantage. 

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