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EBB / ECV Release - October 2013
10. 01. 2013 19:00
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Re : EBB / ECV Release - October 2013
10. 04. 2013 07:53
johnichus
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Originally Posted by ZechsII
Now about the response, you wouldnt be passive if you know how to play km. I dont know much on how to play km. If RN rush armor kill, KM slingshots blinds. You just played KM on your own style and you just want the h39 or h41 or h44s if you have, to push them to their limits and doesnt met your satisfaction due that you are not playing the KM style, and why other normal KM players such me, getting shotted and doesnt complain about what happen due to what H39s/H41s has?
They are not nerfed, they are created just like that, its either you stay on your 39 or 41s or just live with it or just rant. This is how KM created. I dont complain about it since before the h44 patch. Competitive play is not hindered.
My point is J39 should be run 23/39 with normal setup. H39/41/44 are ok.
Most of player dun wana get new ebb when it is just released. They wana know how good or bad it is.
22/37 speed make J39 becomes passive in GB when other nations with high angle gun can pull easily , RN rush, RM slingshot with small size.
22/37 bb can't rush, can't pull much with 37"gun
=> only Slingshot
=> If the accuracy of em non-KM BB4/5 and J39 player are the same, J39 would sink easily due to low DPS
(with 22/37 speed meaning it can't escape)
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Re : EBB / ECV Release - October 2013
10. 04. 2013 11:05
normpearii
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Originally Posted by johnichus
Originally Posted by ZechsII
Now about the response, you wouldnt be passive if you know how to play km. I dont know much on how to play km. If RN rush armor kill, KM slingshots blinds. You just played KM on your own style and you just want the h39 or h41 or h44s if you have, to push them to their limits and doesnt met your satisfaction due that you are not playing the KM style, and why other normal KM players such me, getting shotted and doesnt complain about what happen due to what H39s/H41s has?
They are not nerfed, they are created just like that, its either you stay on your 39 or 41s or just live with it or just rant. This is how KM created. I dont complain about it since before the h44 patch. Competitive play is not hindered.
My point is J39 should be run 23/39 with normal setup. H39/41/44 are ok.
Most of player dun wana get new ebb when it is just released. They wana know how good or bad it is.
22/37 speed make J39 becomes passive in GB when other nations with high angle gun can pull easily , RN rush, RM slingshot with small size.
22/37 bb can't rush, can't pull much with 37"gun
=> only Slingshot
=> If the accuracy of em non-KM BB4/5 and J39 player are the same, J39 would sink easily due to low DPS
(with 22/37 speed meaning it can't escape)
 The J39 is suppose to be weaker than the H44, while using the H44 guns. Comparing it to the H39 and H41 is wrong. For the J39 to use the H44 guns, dropping the speed to be less than the H44 is required. Otherwise you make the H44 obsolete. The H44 must retain advantages over the j39. Speed is one of those advantages it keeps.
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Re : EBB / ECV Release - October 2013
10. 04. 2013 12:32
ZechsII
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Originally Posted by normpearii
Originally Posted by johnichus
Originally Posted by ZechsII
Now about the response, you wouldnt be passive if you know how to play km. I dont know much on how to play km. If RN rush armor kill, KM slingshots blinds. You just played KM on your own style and you just want the h39 or h41 or h44s if you have, to push them to their limits and doesnt met your satisfaction due that you are not playing the KM style, and why other normal KM players such me, getting shotted and doesnt complain about what happen due to what H39s/H41s has?
They are not nerfed, they are created just like that, its either you stay on your 39 or 41s or just live with it or just rant. This is how KM created. I dont complain about it since before the h44 patch. Competitive play is not hindered.
My point is J39 should be run 23/39 with normal setup. H39/41/44 are ok.
Most of player dun wana get new ebb when it is just released. They wana know how good or bad it is.
22/37 speed make J39 becomes passive in GB when other nations with high angle gun can pull easily , RN rush, RM slingshot with small size.
22/37 bb can't rush, can't pull much with 37"gun
=> only Slingshot
=> If the accuracy of em non-KM BB4/5 and J39 player are the same, J39 would sink easily due to low DPS
(with 22/37 speed meaning it can't escape)
The J39 is suppose to be weaker than the H44, while using the H44 guns. Comparing it to the H39 and H41 is wrong. For the J39 to use the H44 guns, dropping the speed to be less than the H44 is required. Otherwise you make the H44 obsolete. The H44 must retain advantages over the j39. Speed is one of those advantages it keeps.
He wants to remove the pros and cons on j39 and make it all cons to pros. Why would J39 sunk in a low DPS if the user decides to escape when someone equal than him chases?? while you fall back, cant you fire back?
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Re : EBB / ECV Release - October 2013
10. 04. 2013 16:41
johnichus
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Originally Posted by ZechsII
He wants to remove the pros and cons on j39 and make it all cons to pros.
Why would J39 sunk in a low DPS if the user decides to escape when someone equal than him chases?? while you fall back, cant you fire back?
23/39 J39 is not any pros; it is just a fair speed setup in GB
Assumption of two player BB4/5 vs J39: Meeting other EBB5 is not ususal.
They meet in GB then duel begin.
1. Same accuracy of two players
2. The fire power(DPS) of em > the J39
3. Both nearly in range
4. Both Slingshotting
5. Both moving in Full speed for rushing or pulling
6. Em running 24/40 or 23/39 for normal speed (most of the bb4/5 can run like that)
7. Both scouted
1st shot would be the key to win but the first shot chance of both player are the same.
Then the shell damage and reload becomes the factor.
It would need few shots to make someone in red.
However, J39 with 22/37 speed can't escape from the duel. It can only win the duel or sink. J39 would hv chance to run if the speed is 23/39 before their speed down.
If u provide the Shell damage data, range in mm, normal speed of all bb4/5, it would help for the simulation.
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Re : EBB / ECV Release - October 2013
10. 04. 2013 20:41
normpearii
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Originally Posted by johnichus
Originally Posted by ZechsII
He wants to remove the pros and cons on j39 and make it all cons to pros.
Why would J39 sunk in a low DPS if the user decides to escape when someone equal than him chases?? while you fall back, cant you fire back?
23/39 J39 is not any pros; it is just a fair speed setup in GB
Assumption of two player BB4/5 vs J39: Meeting other EBB5 is not ususal.
They meet in GB then duel begin.
1. Same accuracy of two players
2. The fire power(DPS) of em > the J39
3. Both nearly in range
4. Both Slingshotting
5. Both moving in Full speed for rushing or pulling
6. Em running 24/40 or 23/39 for normal speed (most of the bb4/5 can run like that)
7. Both scouted
1st shot would be the key to win but the first shot chance of both player are the same.
Then the shell damage and reload becomes the factor.
It would need few shots to make someone in red.
However, J39 with 22/37 speed can't escape from the duel. It can only win the duel or sink. J39 would hv chance to run if the speed is 23/39 before their speed down.
If u provide the Shell damage data, range in mm, normal speed of all bb4/5, it would help for the simulation.
That data is all public. You apparently aren't willing to read the patch notes. Your problem here is your missing the whole point of what the EBBs are. They have, and always will be collector items. That is their purpose. If you don't like ita specific EBB, no one is forcing you to get that EBB. Go get another one more to your liking. They are not truly ships for grinding, they just work that way how they are put between the original tiers.
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Re : EBB / ECV Release - October 2013
10. 04. 2013 22:51
ZechsII
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Originally Posted by normpearii
Originally Posted by johnichus
Originally Posted by ZechsII
He wants to remove the pros and cons on j39 and make it all cons to pros.
Why would J39 sunk in a low DPS if the user decides to escape when someone equal than him chases?? while you fall back, cant you fire back?
23/39 J39 is not any pros; it is just a fair speed setup in GB
Assumption of two player BB4/5 vs J39: Meeting other EBB5 is not ususal.
They meet in GB then duel begin.
1. Same accuracy of two players
2. The fire power(DPS) of em > the J39
3. Both nearly in range
4. Both Slingshotting
5. Both moving in Full speed for rushing or pulling
6. Em running 24/40 or 23/39 for normal speed (most of the bb4/5 can run like that)
7. Both scouted
1st shot would be the key to win but the first shot chance of both player are the same.
Then the shell damage and reload becomes the factor.
It would need few shots to make someone in red.
However, J39 with 22/37 speed can't escape from the duel. It can only win the duel or sink. J39 would hv chance to run if the speed is 23/39 before their speed down.
If u provide the Shell damage data, range in mm, normal speed of all bb4/5, it would help for the simulation.
That data is all public. You apparently aren't willing to read the patch notes. Your problem here is your missing the whole point of what the EBBs are. They have, and always will be collector items. That is their purpose. If you don't like ita specific EBB, no one is forcing you to get that EBB. Go get another one more to your liking. They are not truly ships for grinding, they just work that way how they are put between the original tiers.
Well said norm.
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Re : EBB / ECV Release - October 2013
10. 04. 2013 23:42
johnichus
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Originally Posted by normpearii
Your problem here is your missing the whole point of what the EBBs are. They have, and always will be collector items. That is their purpose. If you don't like ita specific EBB, no one is forcing you to get tha should n EBB. Go get another one more to your liking. They are not truly ships for grinding, they just work that way how they are put between the original tiers.
peed I chose it before knowing its 22/37 speed so i suggest km player shouldn't choose it. I just thought i'm being attracted by new ebb with bb5 gun without knowing the speed. Suggestion: The normal speed should be mentioned especially higher tier BBs.
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Re : EBB / ECV Release - October 2013
10. 07. 2013 08:14
EricIdle
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Would you have information on the range of the two new gunsets:
- Shinano
- Vanguard 1946?
Thanks very much.
(I did search through the recent posts concerning EBBs, but to no avail)
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Re : EBB / ECV Release - October 2013
10. 07. 2013 08:22
nyerkovic
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Originally Posted by EricIdle
Would you have information on the range of the two new gunsets:
- Shinano
- Vanguard 1946?
Thanks very much.
(I did search through the recent posts concerning EBBs, but to no avail)
As explained in this thread (yes, the information was available) Vanguard 1946 uses "a slightly modified BB4 gun: Vanguard duals with more punch", so same range as regular Vanguard. Shinano is "the only one capable of carrying an equivalent of the 110 guns", so same range as the lvl110 guns. Also, "do not forget that the Shinano will be able to carry a clone of the standard Super Yamato triples", which of course, have the same range as the Super Yamato triples.
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Re : EBB / ECV Release - October 2013
10. 09. 2013 20:36
axyarthur
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I want to ask question about UK EBB4/5:
Why can't we get a Vanguard that can fit the L1 16'' Gunset? Is having extra 3 barrels so overpowering compare to other (E)BB4s? I mean, the range on the L1 guns is not great among BB4s and you can make EBB Vanguard worse in other areas, like speed or room for armor.
I'm not comlaining, I'm just curious to the design philosophy for the Vanguard EBB
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