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EBB / ECV Release - October 2013
10. 01. 2013 19:00
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Re : EBB / ECV Release - October 2013
10. 03. 2013 10:44
johnichus
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Originally Posted by nyerkovic
H44 was an amazing ship before the patch. It still is now because the damage consistency was improved, but that was the only thing that changed. It is also one of the hardest ships to learn how to play.
I believe your biggest issue is not the ships, nor the speed. It is the KM traits and playstyle which you find too passive.
There are other nations with a more active playstyle.
Finally, i would wana say: 1. RN is easily to be Oped, KM is easily to be nerfed and always need to improve (in NF2 history) 2. KM is so passive as a bb4/5 where speed, fire power are the reasons. Speed of J39 can be improve to 23/39. It wouldn't affect much to the balance becoz km need more salvo to kill a bb, most speed is used for dodge pulling, rushing, slingshots. 3. Why SN get high fire power and good range with slow speed, when KM get just below normal fire power and good range with slow speed.
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Re : EBB / ECV Release - October 2013
10. 03. 2013 10:53
nyerkovic
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Originally Posted by johnichus
Finally, i would wana say:
1. RN is easily to be Oped,
KM is easily to be nerfed and always need to improve (in NF2 history)
2. KM is so passive as a bb4/5 where speed, fire power are the reasons.
Speed of J39 can be improve to 23/39. It wouldn't affect much to the balance becoz km need more salvo to kill a bb, most speed is used for dodge pulling, rushing, slingshots.
3. Why SN get high fire power and good range with slow speed,
when KM get just below normal fire power and good range with slow speed.
1. In the past years the only ship from the nations you mention to have been improved is the H44 recently. Your perception is not really in line with the hard facts. 2. Improve the speed of the J39 to 23/39 and you get an H44. Every ship has its place and we don't need 2 ships that are the same. Yes, speed is used for rushing, but KM is not a rushing nation and what you need to dodge and slingshot is turning and good timing, not speed... speed is useful at times, but you give it far more importance as a stat than it actually has in the game mechanics. 3. SN isn't just slow, it is the slowest nation which is a huge difference. Their firepower and range comes at the cost of AA to keep you blind. KM gets the lowest firepower, but it has good reload, the best range, one of the best AA platforms to keep you blind and while slow, it is not the slowest nation. You are comparing 2 nations as if they were the same, when they are played completely different and each has very good reasons for being that way.
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Re : EBB / ECV Release - October 2013
10. 03. 2013 11:45
johnichus
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Originally Posted by nyerkovic
1. In the past years the only ship from the nations you mention to have been improved is the H44 recently. Your perception is not really in line with the hard facts.
2. Improve the speed of the J39 to 23/39 and you get an H44. Every ship has its place and we don't need 2 ships that are the same. Yes, speed is used for rushing, but KM is not a rushing nation and what you need to dodge and slingshot is turning and good timing, not speed... speed is useful at times, but you give it far more importance as a stat than it actually has in the game mechanics.
3. SN isn't just slow, it is the slowest nation which is a huge difference. Their firepower and range comes at the cost of AA to keep you blind. KM gets the lowest firepower, but it has good reload, the best range, one of the best AA platforms to keep you blind and while slow, it is not the slowest nation. You are comparing 2 nations as if they were the same, when they are played completely different and each has very good reasons for being that way.
1. not past year From begining of NF2 bsm gun range fix-> h39 gun damage fix-> h44 gun damage fix nf2 like to improve other nation when km is improve (RN bb4/5 range improved before) So RN is easily OPED with their armor and supporters 2. you say j39 should not like h44 why h41 is just like h39 3. The slowest sn bb can run 22/37 when the normal sn bb can run at least 23/39. THE LOW DPS GUN OF KM MAKES IT MUCH DIFFERENT FROM OTHERS I know it is difficult to balance the bb4/5 ebb4/5 but it is a must for me, a loyal km player to tell u the toughness, lack of regard the KM players hv been facing. We hv asked for improvements for many years. Therefore, we hv good bsm, great h39 and useful h44.
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Re : EBB / ECV Release - October 2013
10. 03. 2013 12:20
Bergy1972
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Originally Posted by johnichus
Originally Posted by nyerkovic
1. In the past years the only ship from the nations you mention to have been improved is the H44 recently. Your perception is not really in line with the hard facts.
2. Improve the speed of the J39 to 23/39 and you get an H44. Every ship has its place and we don't need 2 ships that are the same. Yes, speed is used for rushing, but KM is not a rushing nation and what you need to dodge and slingshot is turning and good timing, not speed... speed is useful at times, but you give it far more importance as a stat than it actually has in the game mechanics.
3. SN isn't just slow, it is the slowest nation which is a huge difference. Their firepower and range comes at the cost of AA to keep you blind. KM gets the lowest firepower, but it has good reload, the best range, one of the best AA platforms to keep you blind and while slow, it is not the slowest nation. You are comparing 2 nations as if they were the same, when they are played completely different and each has very good reasons for being that way.
1. not past year From begining of NF2 bsm gun range fix-> h39 gun damage fix-> h44 gun damage fix nf2 like to improve other nation when km is improve (RN bb4/5 range improved before) So RN is easily OPED with their armor and supporters 2. you say j39 should not like h44 why h41 is just like h39 3. The slowest sn bb can run 22/37 when the normal sn bb can run at least 23/39. THE LOW DPS GUN OF KM MAKES IT MUCH DIFFERENT FROM OTHERS I know it is difficult to balance the bb4/5 ebb4/5 but it is a must for me, a loyal km player to tell u the toughness, lack of regard the KM players hv been facing. We hv asked for improvements for many years. Therefore, we hv good bsm, great h39 and useful h44.
Like i've said one page prior, he just doesn't have the facts or the understanding to comprehend what's going on here
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Re : EBB / ECV Release - October 2013
10. 03. 2013 16:57
johnichus
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Originally Posted by Bergy1972
Like i've said one page prior, he just doesn't have the facts or the understanding to comprehend what's going on here
I think this J39 is nerfed. 23/39 is just the normal speed for BBs especially KM. It's like discrimination to KM EBB 4.5.
Ok, u think km players should say yes to get a nerfed h44 and be easy food for other BBs in GB!?
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Re : EBB / ECV Release - October 2013
10. 03. 2013 17:31
nyerkovic
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Originally Posted by johnichus
1. not past year
From begining of NF2
bsm gun range fix-> h39 gun damage fix-> h44 gun damage fix
nf2 like to improve other nation when km is improve (RN bb4/5 range improved before)
So RN is easily OPED with their armor and supporters
2. you say j39 should not like h44 why h41 is just like h39
3. The slowest sn bb can run 22/37 when the normal sn bb can run at least 23/39.
THE LOW DPS GUN OF KM MAKES IT MUCH DIFFERENT FROM OTHERS
I know it is difficult to balance the bb4/5 ebb4/5 but it is a must for me, a loyal km player to tell u the toughness, lack of regard the KM players hv been facing. We hv asked for improvements for many years. Therefore, we hv good bsm, great h39 and useful h44.
1. So many inaccurate concepts there I can't even reply. H44 is the only gun that has been adjusted and it was for consistency, not damage.
2. H41 is not like the H39. And as explained in this thread, those EBBs have a different role than this new ones.
3. You can't compare 2 nations without a) sticking to tiers b) ignoring other important nation traits such as AA for KM (which is vital for their playstyle).
The slowest SN BB runs at 35 (not 37), the slowest KM BB runs at 37. There is no "normal" speed for a nation, each ship has its own speed based on its role and characteristics.
The KM gun makes it different from other nations, yes, so does their AA and their sailors and their hull stats.
You keep comparing individual aspects, but there are always aspects of a nation that are worse than others and there are aspects where they are better... is how nation traits work, which is why you check the nation as a whole.
As a loyal KM player you should be well aware that the H44 is not a "useful" ship but in fact could be within the best of its tier.
Originally Posted by johnichus
I think this J39 is nerfed. 23/39 is just the normal speed for BBs especially KM. It's like discrimination to KM EBB 4.5.
Ok, u think km players should say yes to get a nerfed h44 and be easy food for other BBs in GB!?
1. 23/39 is not the normal KM speed, it is the H44 speed. 2. This is not an EBB 4.5. 3. This is not a nerfed H44, this is a ship of its own with its own place and role. Don't compare it to the H44 because it is not one. 4. KM players are not easy food when played right.
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Re : EBB / ECV Release - October 2013
10. 03. 2013 18:53
johnichus
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I hv been NF2 for many years (> 5yrs). I saw the improvement of km bbs.
I'm pleased that they hv consider to make a better ablility for km bbs in the past.
Therefore, more players are attracted to go km BB line.
But why dun think further before new BB release.
Prevention is better than cure.
J39 H44 with different name, same gun and the auto balance system value make it to do a better bb4 or it will lose the competitve in game. The simple role is doing the best in its position. J39 is bb4.5 so should be compared with bb4 and bb5.
The slowest sn bb can run 21/35 which bb?? which tier, the range, the firepower ?
H44 is fine now becoz it has ok damge. good range and speed.
One of them missing would make it lost its competitive advantage.
The average of bb4/5 is 23/39 at least.
All nations hv their pros and cons but speed 22/37 is much different from 23/39.
If J39 can run 22/38, it would be ok. But now it's 22/37.
1. The normal KM speed
2. This is EBB 5 but the idea is between bb4 and bb5.
3. This is a ship of its own with its own place and role for master BB skill training and challenging or getting low exp.
4. Master KM players are not easy food when played right.
Normal KM players are not much competitive in GB.
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Re : EBB / ECV Release - October 2013
10. 03. 2013 20:13
ZechsII
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Originally Posted by Bergy1972
Originally Posted by johnichus
Originally Posted by nyerkovic
1. In the past years the only ship from the nations you mention to have been improved is the H44 recently. Your perception is not really in line with the hard facts.
2. Improve the speed of the J39 to 23/39 and you get an H44. Every ship has its place and we don't need 2 ships that are the same. Yes, speed is used for rushing, but KM is not a rushing nation and what you need to dodge and slingshot is turning and good timing, not speed... speed is useful at times, but you give it far more importance as a stat than it actually has in the game mechanics.
3. SN isn't just slow, it is the slowest nation which is a huge difference. Their firepower and range comes at the cost of AA to keep you blind. KM gets the lowest firepower, but it has good reload, the best range, one of the best AA platforms to keep you blind and while slow, it is not the slowest nation. You are comparing 2 nations as if they were the same, when they are played completely different and each has very good reasons for being that way.
1. not past year From begining of NF2 bsm gun range fix-> h39 gun damage fix-> h44 gun damage fix nf2 like to improve other nation when km is improve (RN bb4/5 range improved before) So RN is easily OPED with their armor and supporters 2. you say j39 should not like h44 why h41 is just like h39 3. The slowest sn bb can run 22/37 when the normal sn bb can run at least 23/39. THE LOW DPS GUN OF KM MAKES IT MUCH DIFFERENT FROM OTHERS I know it is difficult to balance the bb4/5 ebb4/5 but it is a must for me, a loyal km player to tell u the toughness, lack of regard the KM players hv been facing. We hv asked for improvements for many years. Therefore, we hv good bsm, great h39 and useful h44.
Like i've said one page prior, he just doesn't have the facts or the understanding to comprehend what's going on here
Probably, he doesnt know how to play KM or just want to play KM in RN style.
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Re : EBB / ECV Release - October 2013
10. 04. 2013 00:25
johnichus
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Originally Posted by ZechsII
Probably, he doesnt know how to play KM or just want to play KM in RN style.
Actually, I dun wana play km to be too passive or it could be the last surivor in GB with other teamates' death.
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Re : EBB / ECV Release - October 2013
10. 04. 2013 01:56
ZechsII
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Originally Posted by johnichus
Originally Posted by ZechsII
Probably, he doesnt know how to play KM or just want to play KM in RN style.
Actually, I dun wana play km to be too passive or it could be the last surivor in GB with other teamates' death.
Ok mate let me add this. H39 - as we known as the BB4 of H's army, it has the further range than any bb4 around. it has low fire power, moderate speed, and soft. H41 - the EBB version of the H39, and yes the Slighty Buffed 39, but the guns stay the same. J39 - the newly introduced EBB, with a semi bb4 bb5 hybrid counter parts. So it has a BB5 110 cloned guns. I dont know about its speed cap, but HP is good as of 30k. But sure has the fire power to knock since it has the cloned guns, but im sure it will be exchanged for speed. 7 support slots is enough or you'll have an OP'ed ship.
Originally Posted by johnichus
2. you say j39 should not like h44 why h41 is just like h39
Ofcourse it should not like, since h44 is BB5 and J39 is not. H41 is like H39 cause SDE they designed it like that. They based the 41s at the 39s as a slighty stronger version of 39s. But has a different play style. Dont tell me, you want the J39 to be a h44 that would be hillarious. It was designed to carry 7 slots for SDE's reason and ofcourse the test team approves it, they wouldnt be release or the test team would rant about it if they didnt approved.
Now about the response, you wouldnt be passive if you know how to play km. I dont know much on how to play km. If RN rush armor kill, KM slingshots blinds. You just played KM on your own style and you just want the h39 or h41 or h44s if you have, to push them to their limits and doesnt met your satisfaction due that you are not playing the KM style, and why other normal KM players such me, getting shotted and doesnt complain about what happen due to what H39s/H41s has?
They are not nerfed, they are created just like that, its either you stay on your 39 or 41s or just live with it or just rant. This is how KM created. I dont complain about it since before the h44 patch. Competitive play is not hindered.
And this:
Originally Posted by nyerkovic
3. This is not a nerfed H44, this is a ship of its own with its own place and role. Don't compare it to the H44 because it is not one.
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