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POLL: Italian BB4
03. 26. 2012 09:46
Elliot2lazy
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This ship is so overpowered it puts subs to shame. BB4 that is the size of an atlanta, that can 2 shot bb6s, and has low angle degree guns. People though russia was OP, but they look balanced compared to ALL Italian BBs.
EDIT: Who thinks it is overpowered? Yes or No
I've tallied the votes.
Out of 52 people saying either OP or not, 12 people claim it is not OP. That means 40 people claim it is OP content.
Not OP %: ~23% (12/52)
It is OP %: ~77% (40/52)
I have written it all down on this google doc. here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0Ak62AhANtRUUdGFoSXM2WTVxdFljeWU2SGFHNkUzSXc&output=html
EDIT: If you think the RM BB4s are overpowered, then what are the traits on the ship that need to be nerfed to make the ship balanced?
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Re : POLL: Italian BB4
03. 27. 2012 09:36
ljsevern
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Originally Posted by hiroito
Originally Posted by ljsevern
Originally Posted by tlui22
Originally Posted by hiroito
Originally Posted by tlui22
ok, nerf h39's range
nerf yamato's damage and AA
iowa is decent
nerf the lion's armor
nerf the range of ussr bb4
nerf the mn's bb4 aa
is this sounds good to you then?
Nerf H39 range? Fine, give it 45k+ for each full salvo, currently at around 34k per full salvo. Nerf Yamato Damage and AA? Fine, but give them more range. Iowa stays the same. Nerf lion's armor? Give faster reload speed/ better submergence. Nerf range of SN BB4? Don't know about it, but I think there is an scheduled nerf to this. Nerf MN BB4 AA? Fine, Deliver the "High damage output" promised (Curretnly at around 37k per salvo). That sounds fair to me, but that would require a mayor overhaul of the Nations and what nations have what perks.
you got the point here, this is nation's advantage, so why do people keep saying italy? because they are lazy to grind? well, montana and mn bb5 bascially can one shot any BB4, even a super yamato not with 100% sd, so why people dont ask to nerf its damage? because people are whinning.
Montana and MN BB5's are BB5's, not BB4's. We are talking about BB4's here.
The skill has always been terrible in general. But I guess before the PBB's were nerfed, that content was fine, right?
Anyone that has a clue about game balance and the mechanics of the game knows Italy is hugely flawed, so threads like these are really useful to see who doesn't have a clue about game balance.
I wonder how many of the people who don't want the nerf to Italy are the ones grinding and playing this ship constantly over say, the BB5...
What I said about the changes to the ships was sarcasm. AM I DOIN' IT RITE LJ?
I could tell it was sarcasm, although thats probably only because it was you. We should have sarcasm tags on this forum ;)
Originally Posted by hiroito
Originally Posted by NewYorkBoy
Just by some of you guys reply i can tell you lack skills..I've 2 shotted L2s with Iowa...I've 1 shotted H44 with Yammy. WHAT ARE YOU SAYING??? you guys have no point..the game is crap right now when talkin about skill level..I've been doing 120k per in the crappy BB2 and my crew isn't uber. Be cause players fail. This the worst i've seen NF skill level. So estrelle getting 450k isn't hard against Straight line drivers who never turn or anything.
2 Shotted L2 with Iowa? Credible. 1 Shotted H44 with Yammy? That is no achievement, KM ships are made of paper and glued together with good wishes. I believe a nelson with blocking quads can two shot a Blind H44 before it switches to AP shells. There is no skill level that could matter when driving an H39 against a rushing RM BB4+ other 2 random BB5s. I've seen people just run away when they see this little ship rushin while being backed up by L2s and stuff instead of All concentrating their firepower on the RM BB4 and sinking it before it can do any more damage. Yes, a lot of players ignore the ship which is why it can cause so much devastation. But this ship shouldn't be able to eat an H39 alive with little to no damage on a 1 vs 1 with such ease. This ship isn't a god, it can be sunk but it is way too hard to sink for a BB4, not even an AW Lion 1 is so hard to sink.
I think its funny that NYB thinks he is good. Its easy to one shot H44's with Yammy's when you get massive crits; Because that is the only way you are going to one shot a 900SD H44.
Originally Posted by Mezak76
Originally Posted by hiroito
Originally Posted by tlui22
Originally Posted by tappo01
Originally Posted by Bigboss92
Useful tip: Learn to aim :D
Another tip: try to use your brain once in a while. The RM BB4's at the moment have no weakness.
ok, nerf h39's range nerf yamato's damage and AA iowa is decent nerf the lion's armor nerf the range of ussr bb4 nerf the mn's bb4 aa is this sounds good to you then?
Nerf H39 range? Fine, give it 45k+ for each full salvo, currently at around 34k per full salvo. Nerf Yamato Damage and AA? Fine, but give them more range. Iowa stays the same. Nerf lion's armor? Give faster reload speed/ better submergence. Nerf range of SN BB4? Don't know about it, but I think there is an scheduled nerf to this. Nerf MN BB4 AA? Fine, Deliver the "High damage output" promised (Curretnly at around 37k per salvo). That sounds fair to me, but that would require a mayor overhaul of the Nations and what nations have what perks.
Hiroito, I agree with you, if this ship is over power balance the rest. You said a great true fact about H39, needs an upgrade.
The rest are balanced, with the exception of the Stalin/MN BB4...
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Re : POLL: Italian BB4
03. 27. 2012 09:43
FalleNStaR
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I don't like the idea of ubering the older nations to fit with SN and RM. Instead of great battles your going to end up with AWP fest on de_dust. Making the gap for lowbies even more agonizing. Nerf the new nations.
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Re : POLL: Italian BB4
03. 27. 2012 10:41
tomfoolery44
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This nation has some serious issues. I am at lvl 99 with the Conte di Cavour and it is very good. People on Kaiser are playing it over the bb5.
I give them credit for trying to make a new nation that is different from other butthey havent figured out how to balance low angles, zilch hangtime, and tiny hitbox as a nations advantages. I had several 250-300k games before I even unlocked the bb4 guns, the hull alone makes it very powerful.
The guns, especially with at lvl gunners are very strange. It is extremely hard to kill subs and other small ships with them because of the spread range jumps. People who think that you just aim and do 40k salvos are wrong. I have had very few if any salvos that were that strong. Maybe Richardphat can explain how these guns should work against armor, but right now they just chew through it at any angle.
Yes, this ship is OP. Add it to the list: Le Havre, Hyuga, US Fighters, All subs, SN Sevas, DBs (versus TBs), ect..
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Re : POLL: Italian BB4
03. 27. 2012 10:43
hiroito
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Hooray! \o/ I did it rite. Can I has caek now?
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Re : POLL: Italian BB4
03. 27. 2012 10:51
Elliot2lazy
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Originally Posted by tomfoolery44
Maybe Richardphat can explain how these guns should work against armor, but right now they just chew through it at any angle.
LOL
Originally Posted by tomfoolery44
Yes, this ship is OP. Add it to the list: Le Havre, Hyuga, US Fighters, All subs, SN Sevas, DBs (versus TBs), ect..
+1
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Re : POLL: Italian BB4
03. 27. 2012 11:30
cedrus
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Just make it as big as other bb4. I don't even mention yamato.
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Re : POLL: Italian BB4
03. 27. 2012 11:31
mav2kfk
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Originally Posted by hemainman
c'est la vie !! noob. ei ehm sori for biiing not neice.
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Re : POLL: Italian BB4
03. 27. 2012 11:52
ljsevern
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I've said this for a long time, but whoever has been doing the sprites since (and including) the PCV's is laughing at what little work he has done. They are largely copy pastes with slight changes, and issues with the sizes of them.
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Re : POLL: Italian BB4
03. 27. 2012 11:58
tappo01
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Originally Posted by ljsevern
I've said this for a long time, but whoever has been doing the sprites since (and including) the PCV's is laughing at what little work he has done. They are largely copy pastes with slight changes, and issues with the sizes of them.
I think changing the size of current sprites shouldnt be too hard, even for SDE.
A few years ago they reduced the H44 sprite by a fair amount after everyone complained for several months. But they left the old hitbox which was way bigger than the new sprite.
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Re : POLL: Italian BB4
03. 27. 2012 12:19
ljsevern
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Originally Posted by tappo01
Originally Posted by ljsevern
I've said this for a long time, but whoever has been doing the sprites since (and including) the PCV's is laughing at what little work he has done. They are largely copy pastes with slight changes, and issues with the sizes of them.
I think changing the size of current sprites shouldnt be too hard, even for SDE.
A few years ago they reduced the H44 sprite by a fair amount after everyone complained for several months. But they left the old hitbox which was way bigger than the new sprite.
Which was since fixed, although there are a number of inherant bugs with hitboxes in Navyfield; Richardphat could probably explain better than me.
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