Those engineers must suck. I did 25/41 right when I got it. Engineers were in their mid 80s.
:O

every ship works better with 120 crew. That being said, I recently was given the
opportunity to play a totally at-lvl vanny and team. Honestly, for lvl 85-95 crew, the
ship was just fine EXCEPT for the speed. At lvl with 5 engies I should have been running
40 knts... yet I found myself at only 39. Was I still able to bust out 100+k attack games
every GB? Yes. Was it a huge pain in the rear running 39knts? YES!.

The spread at lvl is pretty large, but its not really a problem due to the 30 angle
guns... which are pretty hard to miss with. At lvl, SD is still 900, so no problems
there. OH time was fine and does recharge to full if you leave it long enough.

Oh, and with the 30 angle guns and good range, you should be able to play well with
Lions, Iowas, and Yammys. The only ship that can play shot for shot with you is H39. Bob
and weave your way to FFFictory, and Never rush. If they do not increase the range on the
vanny, kicking up the turning force would be a good alternative.

Vanny is not a lion... don't make the mistake of thinking it is.

Oh, and about 16"... you are finding this hard to do because snarky players like myself
see the need to PUNISH those whom are using improper BB guns/set ups on their ships.

Nothing pleases me more than killing: 2 gun non L1/L2's, 16" vannys, Quad D anything,
Armored BB6's other than QV, Armored non-UK, and 4 silver BB's of any form (GET BACK IN
YOUR CA! I DID!).

<3 ^^

I didn't play Vanguard much before the patch, so I don't have any of my own observations
to compare against, but I do think Vanny needs some fixing.

I have a mid-90's crew, and it's been off/on with Vanguard for me. Sometimes, it works
well, other times, it's just flat out failure.

The 15" Duals aren't bad if you're not rushing, or being rushed, but they seem to have
damage issues, like others have said. BB1/2/3s hitting full salvos seems to be the best
way to get 20k+ attack in one shot. The 16" Trips are good guns, awesome damage, but the
weight slows me down by 2 knots compared to the Duals. And thus, it's even easier for me
to get smacked by BB5s. Even if they're rushing me.

I'm alright with the turning force, and the speed cap is fine, although Overheat time is a
big annoyance for me. The initial Overheat lasts for awhile, fine, but every time
afterward that I Overheat, it seems to get cut by 75% or some other absurdly high amount.

Some of these observations are probably skewed, it's hard to pay attention to everything
in GBs. But from what people have said, many people are having similar issues.

Vanguard as it is now would work much better with a Level 120 crew then it does at-level.
I'm having a tough time getting used to it. It's nothing like an H39 or Iowa, where you're
able to handle many problems easily.

Played a few games, can't really tell whether there is improvment in the tightness of
the shells as its still random although it did'nt seem as bad.

Reload seems a bit better but I think more tests are needed.

lvl 64 Queen Elizibeth Guns have same damage/shell output as lvl 91 vanny guns

With this latest patch how is the rld and spread of the Vanny early reports of other
ships its a lot better although I have only read one post about the Vanny and being
told it hasn't changed.

I will try later on when I get the chance to play. but to be honest might change to
L1 as already stated the grind is longer in Vanny due to lower XP rate.

I did mention this post patch on a number of occassions about the poor XP rate the
Vanny was giving out although it went ignored.

The Vanny hits like a wet fish post patch. But I have not heard of the major failing I
have found.

Before the patch Vanny was quite a quick and nimble ship. Had a good overheat time.

Now it s a slug with asthma.

I run 5 engies over level 100 (some over 110) and the overheat time is dreadful. Far less
IMHO than before and not a patch on my L1. I can run a full displacement L1 at 37 kts for
some mins. No where near in Vanny.

So my Vanny BO has gained two levels post patch and QV here I come via Lion 1 route.

This needs fixing to a proper BB4, or reverting to a BB3 as before.

Panther

I used the Vanguard for 1 day after the patch.

It sucks now so I havent used it since. I have BB6 crew, and the spread is still
completely random. Sure, using 4x trip 16 is fun, but I may as well use my Nelson
instead, and get balanced as a BB3 with a bit less firepower.

I know the trips hit hard but then it wouldnt be the guns the Vanny are supposed to
use.

Indeed, Vanny shells dmg is maybe bugged. A salvo against unarmored bb2 did only
barely 17k, so it is lower than h39 or bsm 11" salvo.
The range is good to compensate the turning force.
As far I know this problem wasnt there after the patch came out, so either
something is bugged or my account is bugged as always >.<"!
Anyways I dont really care, I still would enjoy this girly ship XD