WOW with my lvl 96 elite BVEd acc gunners i finally land a full salvo on iowa
and i did 15k attack WTF and the spread is terrible something like on QE when u 1st get
it or new POW L guns at lvl if ure not drivin in a straight line ur shots change range
every shot u fire (yes i know the runnin/rushin shots differ)

make vanny good at the levels its supposed to be played not with maxxed out crew
or should we all getg QVs and then head back to vanny

Thanks Hidden

This is what I was trying to say, players with 120 crews and at least 150+ vets on
each, boosted are reporting the ship showing no real problems.

Most vet players posting here appear to think that the new Vanny is much better
than the old one?

But to be honest all they have done is give the ship a tad more range than what it
had as a BB3.5 which in a GB means jack all and in a BB only room may stand for
something worth playing.

They have changed the turning force to make it slower, the turning force of the guns
are now slower, the ship is more fragile now than it was when taking hits.

I wouldn't say I was happy with the new speeds of the ship needing higher and
more engins to get max OH

The shell spread is crap as usual and for a BB4 damage on average is crap
compared to other BB4.

The bb3.5 played much better all they needed to do was alter the spread and leave
the ship as its was for everything else?

heroenvec, looks like your vanguard has a bug (ask a exp+ mod to check it).

I think the old and the new vanguard do differ in playstyle. If you loved the playstyle of
the pre-patch vanguard you have lots of problems using it and you will end up using BB3
guns on a BB4 (which is just stupid but well, in GB more or less the only option without
using a 45 magnum on the pc). The speed nerf (which is only an increase of true ability,
but not a real speed-nerf) is ok for a BB4, what is not ok is the extreme small amount of
range increase and the nerf of the turning force. with 30 degree guns you cant run, its
silly and useless to run, cause your range isnt increased by a lot compared to all other
BB4s. The reload is still as high as it was before, the shell damage is just laughable (5k
on a BSM, 7k on a NC, 4k on a Lion1, all with full SD). The spread with its original 15"
dual-guns still needs 20+ levels above to become compareable with all other BB4s at level.
Overall its a ship for lvl 120 sailors, but not a BB4 for sailors of lvl 90-105.

What I dont like is, that you need a complete playstyle then before, some have chosen the
vanguard because of the playstyle needed, those are pretty much f**k up and should swap to
KM (Bismark is now the new BB3-vangod), to bad the vanguard players havent got an
automatic BO-reset on their vanguard-BO..

So, 90% shells on an H44 and about 80% on an Iowa... Thats awful!!!

All RP12 guns scatter. Not much you can do about it. Personally I don't think it's all
that bad.



11/12 acc gunners level 115 BVE

"I guess a lot of ex-KM drivers are now driving around in UK. The ammount of whine here is
unprecedented. "

KM has had fair reason to complain in the past... The H44 htibox being a particular
favourite of mine...

As for this thread, Vanguard is a great BB4, it is a different playstyle to the LionI, so
long as you aren't awful it is a good ship.

"Proof=where?"

just went to do a quick test. the accounts I have access to with 120 KM and IJN accounts
did not have BB4's available, so i just did L1, Vanny, and Iowa.

Though all the ships had occasional scatter, its pretty obvious that the vanny has far
worse spread. This combined with the weak shell (as we all agree on compared to the other
bb4) makes the vanny somewhat weaker... especially when one considers its the slowest BB4
with full crew and at lvl.

suck.. my format is all screwed up on youtube... Will upload them later, I have to go to
work. :

"They increased the range by a little amount which is not really worth the slow
reload, bad spread and low damage."

the rld isnt that bad, the spread is actaully predictable once your gunner higher 95+,
and the dmg is pretty good if you land a good salvo.


example.

http://i28.tinypic.com/jt87rb.jpg

I guess a lot of ex-KM drivers are now driving around in UK. The ammount of whine here is
unprecedented.

"Needing 3/4+ engins to reach its original speed cap is stupid"

God Forbid you actually need to use that extra support slot for an engineer! I mean, I
need 4 or 5 engines to speed cap most of my US boats, and I don't have the luxury of
an extra support slot. You do..Get over it..

"and the crap turning force now in place."

So because it doesn't turn like a CV anymore, it's crap? It still has what, 19 turning
force? Same as an Iowa? Same as a Yamato? Same as an H39? Oh shit it doesn't have
22 turning force anymore?!?! CRAP!! Even tho the only BB4 that turns faster is the L1,
which it ranges...

Wow. It drives like a BB4, not an overpowered BB3. Go figure.