This is done with lvl 102 rld gunners- Vanny is a good ship

There are limits, not everything can be changed, and you have to consider, that changes in
the balance might change the overall balance of the shipclass. Balancing the vanguard for
BB1234 might result in an extreme overpowered (or underpowered) GB-setup vanguard.

But I do really doubt that the vanguard will be balanced ever, ONF had over a year time
and wasnt able, so why should anyone else be able?

just live with it, or sell your crew (thats what I am thinking to do since the first
battles with the new vanguard)

What do you mean I can't see what the problem was I have been banging on all this
thread about the problems of the pre and post Vanny?

You talk about tests that this ship had yet tell us that you can't talk about these
tests. So we have to make our own assumptions.

I have played the Vanny pre and post and other than its short range to make it a
BB4 it was known as the Vangod the post patch changes are made and now know
one wants to use it and I am not the only one saying there are faults with it.

Why should this thread be locked because you say so?

How about suggestions as to how this ship can be put right?

I dont see a lock to be necessary. Even though you might not be allowed to speak about
ONF, that doesnt mean others arent allowed to (as they are not involved, but have to
suffer the output).

Well overall the whole BB34AA patch was a major KM-buff patch, which was expected by
everyone, as the km-fanboys whined about their ships (with some parts true, others, well a
bit biased) for ages.

The uk lobby was too weak to buff a ship from BB3 to BB4, and I am not talking about lvl
120 crews, the grind and most games in navyfield are not about lvl 120 vs lvl 120 crews.
But that is what it looks like was the base for the outcome of the BB34AA patch.

Maybe the Vanguard is good with lvl 120 crew, with lvl 90 crew it is not, not even close
to be competitive against H39 or Iowa (and yes I had them both, and yes I had them both
with at level crew). IMHO the Vanguard before the patch was more a BB4 then it is now, the
nerfs in turning force and the lack of hitting power of the 15" and their extreme long
reload, makes the whole ship something for lvl 120 players but everyone else should chose
the Lion1 as you have better options then using BB3 guns to make it useable (something
about KM-players complained a lot).

Its just a shame how a beautiful ship is now made of final metabolic goods, but well at
the end its just me and only pixels,
have fun

> > All ONF had to do was alter the range of the guns and make the ship level 89 I can't
> > see why that was such a problem?"
> If you can't see what the problem was, you really have no idea.

For those of us who have not had the luxury of actually being able to test these things
(myself included), would you mind explaining our faulty reasoning?

That being said, I am glad to hear about ONF3.

Plz gentleman ur turning in a circle in the moment, was a very good discussion before the
ONF discussion/attack came up. Im sure ONF team is doing their best :)

So please bring me some really serious arguments gents - you can do it better ^^!

Your
Noricer


PS:
premature ejaculations? Please - kids on board!!!!!

"You can't go into detail?

All ONF had to do was alter the range of the guns and make the ship level 89 I can't
see why that was such a problem?"

If you can't see what the problem was, you really have no idea.

"As already said the old Vanny had better turning force and better turrent turning
force and I could go 42knots with 2 engins 75 and 82 now I can't do that.

now I go with 2 engins at 82 and 89 24/35 with 200 bulge or 25/35 with 60 bulge
with 2 engins +11 boosted and 500 experts 105 vets each and one slot empty

You've taken everything that the Vanny was and given it some range and killed the
ship in the process "

I can go 42 knots in my vanguard. Get more than 2 engineers. How can you expect to speed
cap a ship with two engineers that are not even above the level of the ship.

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Lets just say that the new ONF 3 is going to be a hell of alot better.

The current UK BB4 problems will be looked at, and the BB3's will have a final "going
over". Watch this space for an announcement.

Requesting Lock Please.

Well, rushed maybe the wrong way to put it... premature ejaculation would fit the events
better.

The speed is not the biggest issue I have fault with, its the rest of the setup.

It is now commonly known that the Vanny still has issues that need fixing the case is
who is going to look into this?

> The old vanguard with the old range wouldn't be a BB4. That is what I meant.
Ahh, fair enough. While unfortunately I can't verify my opinions with tests, I cannot
see what would be wrong with the old Vanguard but current range.


> I can't go into what we tested and what we didn't, but personally, I think the BB34 patch
> was rushed.
It sure seems that way, although it feels strange to say it was rushed considering how
long it took.