Vanny doesn't work with it's guns anymore.

For a Vanguard to be effective imo, you have to run with the triples, ever since the
switch my average damage has doubled. You may lose a knot however I've sacrificed
my bulge to save it. Suddenly you'll have BB3 range, but that is a BB3 with a ton of
bricks range.

With it's supposed setup it doesn't really work. At level your spread is horrendous
compared to what it used to be.

Arguably Vanny is rather stronger now, but not how it was intended to be.

dark
"""""""I don't quite know what's going on with it, but all my shell routinely bounces for
3-400
damage against un-armored ships like H39's and Yammys.""""""

that sounds like a big load of bull, but hey, i know it's possible.
and if that is with HE, it suffers from damage inconsistency just like H44/KaizOr 18"/20"

but oh well, i'm not going to say anything i only played Vangod pre-patch:D "

Took some screenies over the last two or three days for you.

None of these ships were obviously armored. (in other words, no missing turrets/odd guns.
the crew
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a309/HeroEnVec/NF0909101638170156.jpg?t=1252735295

Monty, no hits over 400 DP on a full block
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a309/HeroEnVec/NF0909101648420062.jpg?t=1252735295

Bouncing 700's on a fast sevas
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a309/HeroEnVec/NF0909111146450619.jpg?t=1252735296

2-500 on a cv
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a309/HeroEnVec/NF0909111150220525.jpg?t=1252735297

300's on a 37 knt 3 gun L2
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a309/HeroEnVec/NF0909111151250228.jpg?t=1252735297

quad dual quad KGV can't hold much armor, though it might be the problem with this one.
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a309/HeroEnVec/NF0909111154430884.jpg?t=1252735297

600's on what was an obviously unarmored AD
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a309/HeroEnVec/NF0909112129400041.jpg?t=1252735298

300 on a dunker that was running 37-38 if my memory serves me. That cant be much armor if
any.
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a309/HeroEnVec/NF0909112135380025.jpg?t=1252735298

I can get more if needed. I still need to upload the spread video comparison of vanny to
Lion to Iowa though....


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either range needs to be = or nearly = to H39, or damage needs to be the same as iowa per
salvo. At present, range = iowa, damage - = H39. not to mention the crazy spread you get
sometimes...

It does feel like the guns dont hit as hard as they used to when it was a BB3.5 but
maybe thats because the turning force of the turrents and ship were much better
along with its speed back then.

Just my opinion of course but I think the turning force of the turrents and the ship
need adjusting a little, the range doesn't seem too bad although not done any tests
with the ship and not used the new Vanny in a BB only room yet so I dont know how
much better this new range compares in a room like this.

Spread needs looking at, the reload times seem long or is that just me but on a
couple of occasions when just happend to be going 1-1 with and iowa they seemed
to get 1.5 shots off to my 1 there 2nd shot seemed to be half way by the time I fired
mine

Would the old Vanny turning and turrent force work with the new post patch setup?

Compared to the other BB4 guns the hitting power is very weak. KM 11" is weaker yes I
know, but otherwise you dont get the point, that with a vanguard you arent able to deliver
the same amount of damage per minute (talking about real damage not fictive numbers from
the shipyard and reload) then with any other BB4 (and even most BB3s). Thats one of the
reasons why the vanguard in GB is better with BB3 guns (a lot more damage output per
minute) then with it supposed-to-be BB4 15" guns.

i wish my ppro2's 11 inches hit like the vanguards...
but that's just a dream.

Did you seriously just say Vanguard hits like 11"?

It cant be only the turning speed that needs to be adopted. As it the shell damage is now
around the KM-BB2 11" guns it should either get more range or more hitting power. I ate
yesterday a full salvo in the iowa from a vanguard and nearly fell of my chair, as it did
about 4k on my SD, that is just a small bit better then scharnhorst.

That is an option we are considering.

> If you ask me, and to keep things simple, Vanny could simply use either a range increase
> or shell damage increase.
While that probably would help things, I really loved the old play style that stemmed from
the fast turn rate. That gave the vaguard its unique feel. I would love to preserve that
if at all possible.

IMHO just increasing the damage and/or range would make it more of a clone.

Theres ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong with the vanguard... I love it now just as i did
when it was considered a BB3.5 its a very good ship .