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  • CV bashing

    06. 12. 2012 11:18


mikkicd

im currently lvling a crew on a CV (BW)...and in almost every game someone is making derogatory comments....telling CV how to play...

i.e. .... 
VISION !!!!!!!
NEED FC !!!!
etc.

i contribute to the game as much as i can,,,usually sinking 1 or 2 ships per battle (average),and consistently rank in top 5 in attack.

and yet, still am the recipient of remarks.
if a BB wants vision......use your scout.
i  just wish ppl would be mature enough to realize that every player has their own style of play.

my job is to sink ships...as everyone elses is, but its hard to do when,the majority are going after BB and ignoring AA.

i just wanted to get this out there...comments are always appreciated

 

  • Re : CV bashing

    06. 25. 2012 14:13


fla_fsop

Originally Posted by A326411

Your style of play is all wrong in my opinion and it's just my opinion.

BB's use scouts, but when your CV's let the other side fighter camp you, you cannot launch a scout. they'll be shot down fast. Seems a lot of CV players don't realize this. I constantly watch CV's send bombers into a wave of fighters that are coming and the bombers get chewed up. CV's need to get air superiority, once this happens then send bombers. Or send a wave of fighters with bombers.

Your job is to sink AA boats, keep your BB's from being fighter camped. Towards the end of the battle then start bombing the other CV's and BB's.

As a BB player I will try to sink AA and torp whores if they get in range before BB's do. Sometimes you have to take out BB's first to get to AA's.

 



++1

  • Re : CV bashing

    06. 25. 2012 14:15


fla_fsop

Originally Posted by Mezak76

Originally Posted by AlexCaboose

Though people would love to think otherwise, this game is all about team effort at heart.



Alex you are right in this point, and NF shuold be a team effort team, but sadly, i think that point of view is utopic. Team Effot is loosing  in NF

1  - Most  player don´t care about ther team-mates, like our CV friend here. He claims to sink two ships average, good for him... how many times he sunk before most of BB in his team were sunk?.. 
2 - BB´s Over-population: En Kiaser sever a GB usuallt starts with 40 players. 20BB, 6 CV, 4 to 6 SS and the rest. Only 5 ships per side to do AA and ASW duties. Most of them are new players that rush and sunk fast. Most BB don´t have AA guns, so... to kill cmaping FP the CVs are the last solution (all BB´s shout " need FP here")
3 -  All focus of players today is in only have a BB6, thas it. Don´t want to do anything else. I read in other posts some ideas like a super destroyer L55. Maybe would be interesting to expand this concept to AA ships, like a super AA ship LVL 80 or higher. 

Last 7 days my team loose some games with an advantage 8 to 4 BB´s because of this lack of colaboration. Personally that this is one on main pointswhy NF is losing players.

I hope this can help to have a better game. 



Or how many times do  you see a CV bomb a almost dead ship (this is where he probably get's his two kills) when that ship would have just been burned or taken care of by gunfire.  

Good CV players and team play alike can only be found when playing with your fleet mates now days sadly. 

  • Re : CV bashing

    06. 25. 2012 17:14


ChicagoBears

Originally Posted by st0rmie

To the op: I play a CV, have gone from a Hiryu to an Akagi remod in the space of two weeks. You don't win games by bombing the enemy BBs. Well, you could, but it's easily countered if the enemy spams fighters. Your job, as a CV, is to make sure that your BBs are in the best possible position to sink the enemy. They are the workhorses of the fleet, the sword, the ones who's only contribution is to destroy. You are the eyes and the shield. You shoot down enemy bombers, clear away enemy scouts and fighters, and put your planes over the enemy. What good are you if you sink a BB or two, but lose the game? CVs are essentially suporting ships, your success isn't measured in attack but more so in plane shootdown credits and how much sight you've given your team. 

 

I started out low, with a crew I rolled myself and trained up. Until my fighter pilots hit 75, I used local fighters. I wasn't able to push sight, but as a CV1/2/3 that wasn't my job. I shot down scouts, I pushed out a CAP to shoot down marauding bombers, I dueled enemy fighters trying to camp our BBs. The only time I sent bombers, and I stress this, the ONLY time I sent out bombers was when either all their CVs were dead, or all their BBs were dead. If they still have CVs up, you aren't going to be able to hit their BBs. If they still have BBs up, you sending bombers will only make your team suffer.


Minus the fact that you used locals until level 75, this is how you should play CV.

  • Re : CV bashing

    06. 25. 2012 22:28


elios

Leveling from hosho to Shinano, I would like to say that...

 

BW CV is viable, but it's extremely tough to keep a high winrate with that. Although I don't have problem with it til CV5 level. With 7-8-9 launch deck it is really easy to take out enemy CVs, and I often rank 1st in attack while sinking loads of stuff. The point is that you must sink enemy CV FIRST.

 

However as I said, playing  BW CV and being sucessful is not an easy task, it is MUCH MUCH MUCH more tiring than going the FW way. With FW CV it is like a promised win (and very easy in terms of "skill") unless your BBs are really really bad.

 

Being a BW CV doesn't mean you only use bombers, because that's just suicide. After sinking enemy CVs, you can easily help sinking BBs, providing extra firepower if your BBs cannot hold the line. Again, I must really emphasize, this is a very tough task. with a CV4-4.5, loading up a pile of bombers and taking out enemy CV already takes up at least a couple of minutes. During the whole battle you don't have many attack opportunities, so every little mistake is critical. An average to good CV player going FW in a CV3 can probably neutralize you completely, with ease.

 

Why up to CV 4.5? If you are going BW in a CV5, you have a high chance to be the most powerful CV on your side, leaving your side with significantly less FT coverage than your opponent, and that is very bad for your team.

 

All in all, don't go bombing first unless you are a really really good CV player.

  • Re : CV bashing

    06. 26. 2012 00:49


MasterZopfi

Originally Posted by mistermetal

do you have a scoutpilot on your BW? If not, go get one, then come again.



The exact thing this subject is about -.-

It is not a BW if it has scouts then its a Scouting BW. 120 Scouts shoot planes down, not always what is wanted.

  • Re : CV bashing

    06. 26. 2012 06:27


dgrw919

i enjoy when they try to bash me :) the bb can have whole enemy line lit up but its always the "fail" cv'c fault! if the battle line lit up and team looses then its bb fault for not hitting thier targets lol and cv role irl is to kill enemy firghter and bombers, then attack ships, not give sight for the bb's that refuse to scout for themselfs.

if someone don't like the way i play then they can leave the room im in, i'll play the  cv role irl, not to some  bb player that expects everything handed to them.

in game if they ask for sight i ask "don't you have a scout"? or if the line was lit up i say "the line was lit! what happened to the bb's hitting thier targets?" i don't let those few arrogent bb players get to me :)

i know they spoiled irl, so they expect same thing in games.

  • Re : CV bashing

    06. 26. 2012 10:22


FalleNStaR

There are 10 BBs and 3 CVs a side in a GB1(before crashes). Only with a spectacular amount of delusion would a loss be attributed to 1 BW. 

 The battle is usually well on its way to being decided even before Ftrs make it to the enemy line. Some reasons why;

1. Crashes.

2. After the split  players do not match up accordingly, BB or CV. A has a BB6 going north while B hase theirs going south, B has two CV5/PCV go south while A has theirs going south.

3. After the battle starts if a BB or CV crashes no adjustments are made and there is no BB5/6 south/north or no CV south/north. (adjustments should be continuous)

4. No 120 scouts

5. At the start of battle those BBs that do scout send them into AA at max altitude whilst rushing only to find themselves in the dark and out of overheat and using their last few seconds to type/pass the buck "vision noob cvs!".

6. RM BB4s.

 

One thing I do find annoying are the CVs who show FA, FB, FAB and turn out to just be BW*. This is misleading to the entire team, just like BBs who show R and die without ever sending even one scout out.

 

 

* I think, and have suggested, that there should be a color bar or counter that displays to the CVs team what the CVs have loaded. That way a BW doesnt join up with a fake FW.

  • Re : CV bashing

    06. 26. 2012 11:21


Harry74

Originally Posted by FalleNStaR
One thing I do find annoying are the CVs who show FA, FB, FAB and turn out to just be BW*. This is misleading to the entire team, just like BBs who show R and die without ever sending even one scout out.

I don't want to have discussions on why I have x amount of F/A/B/R loaded. 

when it's about missleading the team it's  also talking about indivcators for:
- BBs using Auto FCs
- showing SD, reprate and OH speed/time on BBs to evaluate if they are using proper crews or just leveling SS or CV crew instead
- hit rate of BB players
- ...

And I really DON'T want to see those discussions about setups in the waiting room.
You can call to account players for playstile and setups when it's about fleetwars (and you are a fleetleader) but leave the freedom and fun in all welcome games to all different types of customers.

  • Re : CV bashing

    06. 26. 2012 11:52


FalleNStaR

Originally Posted by Harry74


when it's about missleading the team it's  also talking about indivcators for:
- BBs using Auto FCs
- showing SD, reprate and OH speed/time on BBs to evaluate if they are using proper crews or just leveling SS or CV crew instead
- hit rate of BB players
- ...

And I really DON'T want to see those discussions about setups in the waiting room.
You can call to account players for playstile and setups when it's about fleetwars (and you are a fleetleader) but leave the freedom and fun in all welcome games to all different types of customers.

I'm not advocating restrictions on player freedom. I'm promoting player awareness/responsability.

Principle triumphs over law.

  • Re : CV bashing

    06. 26. 2012 11:59


Chief0Milo

Originally Posted by FalleNStaR

There are 10 BBs and 3 CVs a side in a GB1(before crashes). Only with a spectacular amount of delusion would a loss be attributed to 1 BW. 

 The battle is usually well on its way to being decided even before Ftrs make it to the enemy line. Some reasons why;

6. RM BB4s.

 

One thing I do find annoying are the CVs who show FA, FB, FAB and turn out to just be BW*. This is misleading to the entire team, just like BBs who show R and die without ever sending even one scout out.

* I think, and have suggested, that there should be a color bar or counter that displays to the CVs team what the CVs have loaded. That way a BW doesnt join up with a fake FW.


Apart from the first paragraph I do agree with the rest of your post... I do think you underestimate what the use of an average BW means though... of which it could be indirectly linked into your other reasons of why a battle is decided too...

2 fw cv south v 1 fw 1 bw cv south has better odds of keeping south blind. if south is blind, south cant effectively shoot. /If south cant effectively shoot, they get nubrushed and killed. then north usually follows...

They do make a difference. 

*edit* forgot to say, lol@6 in particular xD shame its soo true though =/ 

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