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  • CV bashing

    06. 12. 2012 11:18


mikkicd

im currently lvling a crew on a CV (BW)...and in almost every game someone is making derogatory comments....telling CV how to play...

i.e. .... 
VISION !!!!!!!
NEED FC !!!!
etc.

i contribute to the game as much as i can,,,usually sinking 1 or 2 ships per battle (average),and consistently rank in top 5 in attack.

and yet, still am the recipient of remarks.
if a BB wants vision......use your scout.
i  just wish ppl would be mature enough to realize that every player has their own style of play.

my job is to sink ships...as everyone elses is, but its hard to do when,the majority are going after BB and ignoring AA.

i just wanted to get this out there...comments are always appreciated

 

  • Re : CV bashing

    06. 20. 2012 09:07


Chief0Milo

Originally Posted by AA88J

I didn't mean to bash anybody. I responded to the OP and what I said is completely and entirely true.

That some fools think I dont get it because I didn't expound on the virtues of EVERY aspect of CV play is purely their problem.

I'm completely comfortable with my position and in just about any given GB you can see the cries of "Vision NORTH" , "CV VISION!!!!", "CV fail".

The truth is many BB players want the CV's to scout for them so they can get XP and whine like crazy when that doesn't happen.

There are exceptions to that rule. If you are an exception, dont take exception, move on and find someone else to unbunch your boy shorts.

Thanks in advance for taking and making this personal. I know you will.



You see, the thing is, with your dumbfounded response like 'if you are an exception, dont take exception, move on** and find someone else to unbunch your boy shorts',

If you ended it at the double ** that would be fine, but then you insult those excepted with the next statement, thus giving them reason to show how retardedly stupid you are.

Secondly, if you are going to justify yourself, try doing it so you cover all areas of your arguement. Because doing a half assed justification only leaves yourself open to such other responses against you.
You didn't need to describe every virtue of cv play, just a few to cover your arse.  Butyou implied that if a CV is going to scout, then that is ALL they do. And as such, is pointless.

As such, yes, it would be for them, but to send up 1 single scout during a couple waves of fighters doesn't take barely any extra effort at all, and increases the multitude of usefulness that  a CV can be enough to help turn the battle.

FYI I am not of the mindset that scouting IS a CVs job, it *should* be down to the BB player, with CVs becoming perhaps a secondary scouter when possible, should BBs become entangled with not being able to get their scouts up due to enemy FC.

But insulting those that go against your arguement because you didn't bother to present your arguement in such a complete way that should leave as few implications open is just retarded and to be honest, signs of complete arrogance.

  • Re : CV bashing

    06. 20. 2012 09:32


scvbari

Okay, things are getting a little nasty. Can we please keep this thread civil? I don't want to have to lock this, but I will if it devolves into a flame fest. 

Just a quick note, I am not a CV player, but I feel that as long as the CV does it job and at least put in effort (whether it be FW or BW), I won't complain. 

  • Re : CV bashing

    06. 20. 2012 09:49


Chief0Milo

Originally Posted by scvbari

Okay, things are getting a little nasty. Can we please keep this thread civil? I don't want to have to lock this, but I will if it devolves into a flame fest. 

Just a quick note, I am not a CV player, but I feel that as long as the CV does it job and at least put in effort (whether it be FW or BW), I won't complain. 



It was fine until aa88j came along with his arrogance and smarmy replies.

Anyhows, your second paragraph is spot on. The thing is, I can see it form both sides, the BWs that send their bombers straight into enemy fc without effort to dodge... and then go do it again and again...

Then there is the stupidly selfish bbs who run without scouts and expect everyone and their mother to scout for them... 

  • Re : CV bashing

    06. 20. 2012 17:22


OttoReinhold

Originally Posted by Pierlon
I play many night battle with my lvl120 fighters and scouts.

<snip>

 many players even on the winning side only do max 40k damage with a BB5 every round again.

That is mostly because night battle shortens guide lines. If you have no experience playing night battles it takes a while to get used to that. You know, BB aiming basically means predicting were someone else will drive his boat to and lob your shells right into that place at the right time. Knowing where your shells will land when your guide lines are f*cked up takes some practice. It's not as simple as pressing space bar and being done.

CV'ing is up and down the last few weeks. Apparently the event gives out plenty ECVs (and no EBBs) so quite a few players started new CV crews. I did too. Can't blame the newbies for messing up really. CV'ing isn't quite as simple as the high level CVs often make it seem. I for one am thankful there are a few more CV players now. Hopefully many of them get a hang of it. 

  • Re : CV bashing

    06. 20. 2012 20:49


Subman99

Originally Posted by Maistral

Originally Posted by Subman99


apparently your not UNDERSTANDING it, who said scouting is the cvs sole job, that you don't seem to understand that once again proves the point....nice to see that your answer mainly involves bashing....be intelligent or be gone....do you understand that cv's are there to COVER the ENTIRE FLEET?....that bombing is only a part of the overall JOB?, I dont care how good a cv bombs...if it's battle line is fighter camped and blind....they lose....PERIOD, thats the debate...NOT if YOU can get better credits for bombing in a loss...do you GET IT?

someone's done bitching people up in games, so he decides to do so in forums.

how sad.

 

 nice bashing...but, it's what you do in game...so like you said...HOW SAD...bout what you'd expect from a troll

 



  • Re : CV bashing

    06. 21. 2012 00:15


techdome26

wow...this thread is still going but i agree  with the mod...it has become ugly...so i'm just going to describe my tactical use of cv planes to see what ya'll think...

i have alot of cvs...i don't cv alot...but when i do i rarely get personalized complaints...

i do know that launching alot of planes on one pilot takes alot of ready time...not good...

i limit myself to 5 planes max per pilot kinda....i usually send 5 bombers and 3 fighters, hence the limit of 5(altho i have done 6/2 on occasion)...the bombers have a target...the fighters usually get tangled between a quarter and 3/4s of the way to target...if the fighters reach target, they are set on NO RETURN...hence producing permasight until flamed...

if enemy fighters are thick...i try a 4/4 combo...and for variety i send bombers one way and fighters to a nearby  but different locale......many is the time that fighters get involved near my team's front line...if they survive, then they become FC as they continue to said target area...

if the bombers actually attack target and survive....they are providing varying sight going TO the target  and returning FROM the target...in this same case, a BW CV is also providing variable position sight...

FW CVs also provide sight...my only problem with them is that they have no END-GAME attack capability...many games are lost because CVs cannot bomb at the end...

ohh yah...then there was the BB that was fighter camped, so i assigned my fighters to his BB...""don't park your fighters on me, send them out there...i need %%*&*^ sight""...
i never helped him again...smile...

all questions and comments welcome...thanks for reading...

  • Re : CV bashing

    06. 21. 2012 04:30


Maistral

Originally Posted by Subman99

nice bashing...but, it's what you do in game...so like you said...HOW SAD...bout what you'd expect from a troll

 

At least I'm not the one who bashes BBs that bring ASW after destroying my sub; crying about ASW BBs and ruining the game.

 

Oh well, I rest my case.

  • Re : CV bashing

    06. 25. 2012 10:51


AA88J

i think this forum is hysterical!  too funny really.  i made a statement that remains uncontested and is proven daily in gb1 but my responses to those who imply my ignorance are considered rude.  for someone who chooses to attack and not correct what they see as an error or mis-statement to be offended by the response they get is just plain pathetic.

please, show me where im wrong.correct my original statement. dont just tell me im wrong. ask ypour bb playing friends what a cv's job is.  go into any gb lobby right now and ask!   for the record, i have cv's but generally like to ss so i really have no dog in this fight.   

  • Re : CV bashing

    06. 25. 2012 11:40


limegargoyle

I have not yet gotten to the BB6, nor even to the top CV.  Not an FW, not a BW, I have some of each... I only have one nation, really, although I have worked up to CL on a second.  I generally play CV and SS (bash all you want, that's not the point).

I really TRY to team play... the similarity between CV play and SS play is that they both provide vision to the teammates and SOME chance of getting personal attack for EXP. 

When my teams scouts and ftrs are getting eaten by the FW from the other side, you will be able to see what is close to my SS.

When My ftrs are getting eaten, I send another small batch there, then send some somewhere else; that keeps the original opponents occupied while providing vision elsewhere.

When I can, I try to keep bombers at the target, if there are remaining opponents to see.

I have two "pet peeves", as a CV driver:

Number 1: ... when someone screams "NOOB CV!  NEED FC!"... and doesnt say WHERE..... same thing for "NEED VISION!"  WHERE??  you want my help, don't expect me to read your mind....  (also, calling someone 'NOOB' is not likely to make them want to help you)

When there are 20 BB and 6 CV, do not expect that each BB will have a CV providing personal attention to exactly you.  Is it REALLY that hard to say something like "NEED FC  E2"?   How about "Need Vision B3?"

Number 2:  When I sent my ftrs out, or bombers, or whatever, and leave them there as long as fuel holds out or until they get shot down... AND NOBODY TRIES TO SHOOT!  Really, what's the point of providing vision, micromanaging to keep the vision as long as possible, when none of my teammates bothers to try to sink the targets?

I won't even mention the super-hyper-uber flak ships ON MY OWN TEAM (not automated escorts) that shoot down my planes when there are no enemies in the area.  If you shoot down the fighters I sent to intercept the bomber wave, don't be surprised if the bombers get through...

Please, as BB, CA, whatever kind of boat you're running... If the CV on your side is not a 120 BVE FW, it is likely his planes will get eaten by someone who is, and it will happen pretty fast and pretty constantly.  When you have vision, use it to sink the targets.  So, sometimes its not a BB you can see.  But if you sink the flak CL you CAN see, the NEXT wave of spotters can get through to where you can see a target worth your time and shells.

As mentioned in earlier posts, teamwork and communication are the keys to winning.  If your teams does THOSE better than the opponents, you win.  If THEY do it better, THEY win.  If (as usually happens) they both fail at teamwork and communication, we might as well just flip a coin.

/END RANT

 

  • Re : CV bashing

    06. 25. 2012 13:57


Chief0Milo

Originally Posted by AA88J

i think this forum is hysterical!  too funny really.  i made a statement that remains uncontested and is proven daily in gb1 but my responses to those who imply my ignorance are considered rude.  for someone who chooses to attack and not correct what they see as an error or mis-statement to be offended by the response they get is just plain pathetic.

please, show me where im wrong.correct my original statement. dont just tell me im wrong. ask ypour bb playing friends what a cv's job is.  go into any gb lobby right now and ask!   for the record, i have cv's but generally like to ss so i really have no dog in this fight.   



I can only assume English is not your first language, because you seem to be making some huge errors in your choice of words.
Firstly, I have not implied your ignorance, but your arrogance. HUGE difference between the 2.
Secondly, uncontested?! Are you blind? or just being arrogant again? I have legitimately contested what you said, only in your arrogance you choose to ignore it.

And finally, I have asked CVs what their job is, and they say is to bomb/fw the enemy. They shun the full responsibility of scouting only to do it as a secondary job if they are able to. 
However if a CV wants to get as much exp as possible, ie: winning rather than losing, it wouldn't hurt to throw up a single scout now and then to help sight if they aren't able to provide a good offence against enemy ftrs... Hypothetically there is nothing stopping them from being able to throw up a scout during waves of bombers. Its not difficult if all your doing is bw'ing.

(again, I'll reiterate I do not condone CVs having to scout for lazy BBs that cba to carry a scout of their own)

 

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