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  • CV bashing

    06. 12. 2012 11:18


mikkicd

im currently lvling a crew on a CV (BW)...and in almost every game someone is making derogatory comments....telling CV how to play...

i.e. .... 
VISION !!!!!!!
NEED FC !!!!
etc.

i contribute to the game as much as i can,,,usually sinking 1 or 2 ships per battle (average),and consistently rank in top 5 in attack.

and yet, still am the recipient of remarks.
if a BB wants vision......use your scout.
i  just wish ppl would be mature enough to realize that every player has their own style of play.

my job is to sink ships...as everyone elses is, but its hard to do when,the majority are going after BB and ignoring AA.

i just wanted to get this out there...comments are always appreciated

 

  • Re : CV bashing

    06. 12. 2012 21:09


Shetland

Yea, one thing I have noticed is north/south games where teams have basically rotated 90 degrees.  One team owns the south and one the north.  Then the problem becomes that all the team's BBs are (say) East and steaming even farther East, and the CVs are in the far West exposed. 

  • Re : CV bashing

    06. 13. 2012 00:38


st0rmie

To the op: I play a CV, have gone from a Hiryu to an Akagi remod in the space of two weeks. You don't win games by bombing the enemy BBs. Well, you could, but it's easily countered if the enemy spams fighters. Your job, as a CV, is to make sure that your BBs are in the best possible position to sink the enemy. They are the workhorses of the fleet, the sword, the ones who's only contribution is to destroy. You are the eyes and the shield. You shoot down enemy bombers, clear away enemy scouts and fighters, and put your planes over the enemy. What good are you if you sink a BB or two, but lose the game? CVs are essentially suporting ships, your success isn't measured in attack but more so in plane shootdown credits and how much sight you've given your team. 

 

I started out low, with a crew I rolled myself and trained up. Until my fighter pilots hit 75, I used local fighters. I wasn't able to push sight, but as a CV1/2/3 that wasn't my job. I shot down scouts, I pushed out a CAP to shoot down marauding bombers, I dueled enemy fighters trying to camp our BBs. The only time I sent bombers, and I stress this, the ONLY time I sent out bombers was when either all their CVs were dead, or all their BBs were dead. If they still have CVs up, you aren't going to be able to hit their BBs. If they still have BBs up, you sending bombers will only make your team suffer.

  • Re : CV bashing

    06. 13. 2012 02:42


Chief0Milo

Originally Posted by CaptBellamy

What a stinking pile of useless hypocritical crap this is.  You want help from CVs than I suggest you actually use your BB guns that shoot halfway across the map at opponents who can't see you to protect the CVs you're begging scouts from because you're too piss poor a planner to include scouts on your BB.  I've been sunk more often than I care to talk about when my "team" of BBs have 7+ ships still afloat yet half the enemy BBs sailed through our line like crap through a goose and blew our teams CVs away with gun and at fairly close range and here I see you whining and crying about cover and vision you can't even be bothered to protect with the strongest guns in the game.  Run your guns more and your mouth less.



@St0rmie That is just teh sort of useful thing that I love when a CV does. Regardless, they'll send something into the enemy fighters to keep them busy.

Then I am able to get my scout out and not get engaged because theyre already engaged with the doomed low tier friendly cvs planes. But I am then able to see and compete again. When I am in my low tier CV, that is also how I play. 

@Captbellamy
I corrected from you saying CV to BB because I actually think you meant to say BB

Why do the CVs often get nubrushed by enemy BBs?
The majority of the time Ive seen it happen is because they just sail north or south for the entirety of the game not following in general direction of the battle where their teams BBs are going. If north suddenly dies, they havnt been paying attention to guiding their ship and just left it headed north, all of a sudden theyre out in the open and exposed.

Sometimes BBs have to pull back because they can't see otherwise they're just committing suicide by rushing/staying in line thinkin they have the upper hand to survive being blind.
I'm not condoning what every BB player does,  especially the ones that don't load scouts, I despise those people, for reasons I have stated plenty, in another thread.

As it is, ''use your BB guns that shoot halfway across the map at opponents who can't see you to protect the CVs'' 
If we can shoot halfway across the map, you are kind of forgetting they can also shoot halfway across the map back to us.  Its about picking moments, predicting to a point, using that extra 1cm of range advantage, slinging at the right time etc that allows us to out-compete the enemy. Sometimes it pulls off, sometimes we get our ass handed to us through unforeseeable circumstances. I accept there will be general failures of BBs and CVs that can't be helped, and there will always be a losing team. 

But when someone is playing in such a way it is hindering the ability of the team before anyone has shot a shell, then I draw the line at that because it is supposed to be a team game and it is the shared exp that is supposed to be rewarding people for such team play. Im majorly a BB player, and play CV when I want a break. But I will get pissed off at either (especially scoutless BBs) if they play like a fuktard rather than a team player. 

  • Re : CV bashing

    06. 13. 2012 03:05


McTass

every player that says BWs are wrong probably never played (with a cv) against players like xaxaxa.

i can tell you that T4s dont' have enough fuel for continuos camping (at least my KM), those players can easily evade you fighters with some micromanaging trick, so you 'll have to waste at least 2 pilots on them reducind your team sight too. and they will sink easily your capital ships unless theyre packed with AA and are aware of that, smoking and dodging is pretty useless against them.

i played every role except a BW CV and from my side i can tell you that they turn the side of battles.

play a CV against a good BW player and only then you can tell me BWs are wrong.

 

  • Re : CV bashing

    06. 13. 2012 03:23


Chief0Milo

Originally Posted by McTass

every player that says BWs are wrong probably never played (with a cv) against players like xaxaxa.

xaxaxa scares me hugely when I see him on the opposing team =s
(Ive never said BW are wrong, and I never would agree to stopping BW capability due to the fact people can become like xaxaxa, but a lot of people nowadyas dont care to become as good as him, they just want to throw out bombers and drop some bombs and hit stuff.)

  • Re : CV bashing

    06. 13. 2012 04:18


MCShorTy

Originally Posted by st0rmie

I started out low, with a crew I rolled myself and trained up. Until my fighter pilots hit 75, I used local fighters. I wasn't able to push sight, but as a CV1/2/3 that wasn't my job.

that is a huge mistake ppl make. why bother using locals in a team balanced game? you can provide vision with t1s in cv1.... only thing you need is to check the air where fighters are. if you dont trust your ftrs in t1... manage them around others. locals got too less fuel. are weak in defense. only fast and got high attack. locals should be forbidden in gb1/2. they might be fine for blitzkrieg but defintly not gbs.

it is not your job? look at the cvs around you and find out what your job will be. class of the cv doesnt matter. scouting will be a job in one way or another... and even a bw can scout or be usefull. you do something wrong if you get under 50k att as bw.

  • Re : CV bashing

    06. 13. 2012 04:19


flaggelant

bw-ing is perfectly fine as long as there are enough cv's
if there is a 4 cv split and the bw gets set up vs a good FW, the flank is toast.

also BW's shouldn't pick a flank spot during deployment, because other cv's will think that he will be scouting that flank, and thus move to the other one. 

BW-ing in a cv that should run T4's (cv5/6/pcv) also brings your team a disadvantage, because you deny them the right for strong FP, if you want to BW, do so in a CV4 or below. 

and running a scout pilot next to your bombers isnt a big deal, 1 less pilot (or 2 even) doesnt make a huge difference in loading time for a dedicated BW. and the scouts take near to no space so you have plenty of room left for DB in your hangar.

cv-ing means teamplay and thinking about how you add to your team, as long as you do so, there shouldn't be a problem. this goes for both FW's & BW's

  • Re : CV bashing

    06. 13. 2012 06:39


greattak

The most hilarious was...I sunk all the CVs on the opposite side..and BBs on each side was 5 vs 5 left..and i garantee there was no nelson. But the Bbs kept on saying 'CVs scout'!

 

Hey man..no CVs on other side, nobody kills your scouts...why still just asking CV to scout ?

  • Re : CV bashing

    06. 13. 2012 06:41


sylwesterph

Learn aim bbs.

  • Re : CV bashing

    06. 13. 2012 08:04


st0rmie

Originally Posted by MCShorTy

Originally Posted by st0rmie

I started out low, with a crew I rolled myself and trained up. Until my fighter pilots hit 75, I used local fighters. I wasn't able to push sight, but as a CV1/2/3 that wasn't my job.

that is a huge mistake ppl make. why bother using locals in a team balanced game? you can provide vision with t1s in cv1.... only thing you need is to check the air where fighters are. if you dont trust your ftrs in t1... manage them around others. locals got too less fuel. are weak in defense. only fast and got high attack. locals should be forbidden in gb1/2. they might be fine for blitzkrieg but defintly not gbs.

it is not your job? look at the cvs around you and find out what your job will be. class of the cv doesnt matter. scouting will be a job in one way or another... and even a bw can scout or be usefull. you do something wrong if you get under 50k att as bw.

If I'm being camped by T3s or T4s, nothing my T1 fighters can do are gonna give the BBs any sight. My T1s are simply going to die. If I have locals, at the very least I can duel/clear the airspace near me (well-trained level 7x locals can easily take down T3 fighters), so that scouts or another planes can push forward, or if need be I can send out groups of bombers to act as scouts. When you're low level and you're playing in GB, you need to be able to hold your own against enemy CVs. Locals let you do that. That's why they're in the game, and that's why they're forbidden to players above level 75 (the point at which you get T3s). In a GB, making sure your team can't be seen is as important as making sure your team can see the enemy. If anything, locals should be forbidden in a Blitz because there's simply no point; T1s and a very few T2s will rule the day there and are sufficient to kill anything because there's no higher tier planes around.

Anyway, moot point since I've already graduated up to my own T3s.

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