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CV bashing
06. 12. 2012 11:18
mikkicd
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im currently lvling a crew on a CV (BW)...and in almost every game someone is making derogatory comments....telling CV how to play...
i.e. ....
VISION !!!!!!!
NEED FC !!!!
etc.
i contribute to the game as much as i can,,,usually sinking 1 or 2 ships per battle (average),and consistently rank in top 5 in attack.
and yet, still am the recipient of remarks.
if a BB wants vision......use your scout.
i just wish ppl would be mature enough to realize that every player has their own style of play.
my job is to sink ships...as everyone elses is, but its hard to do when,the majority are going after BB and ignoring AA.
i just wanted to get this out there...comments are always appreciated
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Re : CV bashing
06. 16. 2012 20:38
CaptBellamy
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Originally Posted by Artoria
I think the role of BB and CV are just like marksman and forward obsever in combat.
Here explain the meaning of them:
marksman:this job is different from "sniper".The main difference between a marksman and a normal sniper is that a marksman is usually considered an organic part of a team of soldiers, whereas regular snipers tend to work alone or with other snipers. In the military, marksmen are sometimes attached to an infantry squad where they take accurate long-range shots at valuable targets as needed, thus extending the reach of the squad.
forward obsever:an observer with forward troops trained to call for and adjust supporting fire and pass battlefield information. In the absence of a forward air controller, the forward observer may control CAS strikes.
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Forward obsever can searh where the enemy who out of the marksman's sight exactly is,and then maksman can go to a clear area take out the target.And forward obsever also can call air force to apply a long distance attack,and clear enemy's air support,protect marksman from enmey's air strike when bashing.In the other hand,marksman can protect forward obsever from the sneak attack of enemy's marksman.
Perhaps I used a sunk metaphor.But what I mean is,whatever which one is the king of battle,if CVs don't searh for their BBs and blind the enemy BBs,their BBs will down,and enemy BBs kill the CVs at last.If BBs don't rush back to help CVs which are attacked by enemy BBs/CA/ SS,u can imagine what's happen......
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In additional,your exp in a battle is not just depend on your "personal attack",and mainly depend on "team attack".So the way for CVs to get more exp is help your BBs make more attack by send your fp.During the time for a CV from lauch one wave DBs to attack or sunk ONE enemy BB,our BBs can sink 2 to 5 enemy BB(and some small ships) if have good sight.During CV's DBs coming back to their mother,BBs are still sinking enemy ships......
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My way to play CV is,FP or FP+DB/TP.When FP is low level,I will keep stay around a BBs group and use local fp to sweep up the aircraft overhead.When our team is in adventage then a will load some bombers to bomb enemy BB/CV/SS.I usually can get at least 10thousand attack,that's enough if u also shoot some aircrafts down,because that also can gain your exp.
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Finally,this is a game,if u are about to enjoy it,then u should enjoy the cooperation and communication between u and your teamates.And I really enjoy it.
Ok I do have substantial problems with portions of this type of mindset. 1. This is a voluntary game. People play because they want to; CV drivers included. 2. Developing a CV crew is costly in time and aggreviation and sometimes, real money. 3. To tell someone who voluntarily invests time, energy and possibily money into this game at the levels required to develop a CV and crew that they will now be some overdulged, self centered individual's glorified bird dog is offensive and a total non starter with me. That's my interpretation of your "forward observer/sniper" role breakdown. Said breakdown is sadly misplaced in a navy seaborne game as opposed to an army landwar game. It also doesn't fit with the historical facts that battleships were escorts for CVs and not the other way around in WWII and since. 4. My prior posts in this thread reflect my willingness to do scouting as I found something new ingame to perk my interest. (advanced scouts and mines) Do not misinterpret what I said as me or most other CV drivers doing scouting out of some misplaced sense of "obligation" to someone in an online game whom we hopefully will never meet in person. 5. The minute someone tries to tell me, after all I've invested in the game and developing a CV to basically play and enjoy my leisure voluntarily, that I "have" to do something; I'll cordially invite you to bury your comments somewhere creative and painful. I may then change my ship name to something like "scout for yourself," "do your own homework," or "I got your scout" or other similiar names I've seen on CVs ingame. Again, this is voluntary leisure activity regardless of your chosen ship type and I think some folks who want to dictate who is "support" and what that means forget that this is a game and games are supposed to be fun for everyone, not just those with battleships or whatever. Teamwork is fine as long as its actual teamwork with everyone being heard and considered and not just certain BB drivers taking the role of dictator for the rest. That doesn't work in a voluntary game or most other places not ruled with an iron fist.
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Re : CV bashing
06. 17. 2012 04:39
Artoria
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Originally Posted by CaptBellamy
Ok I do have substantial problems with portions of this type of mindset. 1. This is a voluntary game. People play because they want to; CV drivers included. 2. Developing a CV crew is costly in time and aggreviation and sometimes, real money. 3. To tell someone who voluntarily invests time, energy and possibily money into this game at the levels required to develop a CV and crew that they will now be some overdulged, self centered individual's glorified bird dog is offensive and a total non starter with me. That's my interpretation of your "forward observer/sniper" role breakdown. Said breakdown is sadly misplaced in a navy seaborne game as opposed to an army landwar game. It also doesn't fit with the historical facts that battleships were escorts for CVs and not the other way around in WWII and since. 4. My prior posts in this thread reflect my willingness to do scouting as I found something new ingame to perk my interest. (advanced scouts and mines) Do not misinterpret what I said as me or most other CV drivers doing scouting out of some misplaced sense of "obligation" to someone in an online game whom we hopefully will never meet in person. 5. The minute someone tries to tell me, after all I've invested in the game and developing a CV to basically play and enjoy my leisure voluntarily, that I "have" to do something; I'll cordially invite you to bury your comments somewhere creative and painful. I may then change my ship name to something like "scout for yourself," "do your own homework," or "I got your scout" or other similiar names I've seen on CVs ingame. Again, this is voluntary leisure activity regardless of your chosen ship type and I think some folks who want to dictate who is "support" and what that means forget that this is a game and games are supposed to be fun for everyone, not just those with battleships or whatever. Teamwork is fine as long as its actual teamwork with everyone being heard and considered and not just certain BB drivers taking the role of dictator for the rest. That doesn't work in a voluntary game or most other places not ruled with an iron fist.
Yeah I think my concept has got something wrong,and I forgot to add "these are only my personal point of view" at last.I also don't want to be serious at this topic.Whatever if some cv players just loading bombers on board,I never complain about them in game.I against to these kind of cv many times, their bombers are really good for my fighters,and exp.Are CVs only loading bombers do somthing wrong?Definitely not.Do CVs have the responsibility must support BB?Of course not,BB players also have the choice to decide bashing enemy or back to CV,fair enough.
*these are only my personal point of view*
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Re : CV bashing
06. 17. 2012 12:58
Subman99
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Originally Posted by AA88J
Originally Posted by Subman99
Originally Posted by AA88J
Here's the problem in a nutshell.
A CV gets nothing for sending Scouts. There's ZEO incentive for a noob CV to send a scout when he want's XP. A CV2/3 will get more XP from BW in a loss than Scouting in a win. Sucks but true.
A low lvl CV will be fighter camped just like a BB and is helpless sometimes too.
Yelling at a NOOB CV player does nothing for BB play.
ZERO incentive?...it's called WINNING....your team wins...you get MORE exp...that you need THAT explained to you kinda proves the point about a lot of cv drivers....
Reading comprehension is not your strong point is it? A CV 2/3 gets more XP in a loss while bombing than from a win while scouting... I'll say it again, a CV gets LESS XP in a scouting win than in a BW loss. Comprende? Verstehen sie? Capiche? Get it?
apparently your not UNDERSTANDING it, who said scouting is the cvs sole job, that you don't seem to understand that once again proves the point....nice to see that your answer mainly involves bashing....be intelligent or be gone....do you understand that cv's are there to COVER the ENTIRE FLEET?....that bombing is only a part of the overall JOB?, I dont care how good a cv bombs...if it's battle line is fighter camped and blind....they lose....PERIOD, thats the debate...NOT if YOU can get better credits for bombing in a loss...do you GET IT?
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Re : CV bashing
06. 17. 2012 13:59
Ewood
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Easy way not to get bashed...
Don't play like a frickin idiot...
If you use fighters exclusively, be good at fighter-whoring, kill scouts/bombers when you can and try to ensure sight, either by allowing friendly BB's scouts to be unhindered or by scouting yourself,
If you use bombers exclusively, know what it is your bombers can/should kill, with the number you have in the air at the moment.
If you use both fighters and bombers, know when to sneak out a run to knock out a BB/CV whilst providing adequate fighter coverage.
If you're a low-level CV (crew below lvl 80), then just attempt the above, thats all people ask.
It's not often (hardly ever) I get bashed for my work in a GB because I try to stick to the above principles, s'not rocket science...
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Re : CV bashing
06. 17. 2012 20:04
Maistral
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Originally Posted by Subman99
apparently your not UNDERSTANDING it, who said scouting is the cvs sole job, that you don't seem to understand that once again proves the point....nice to see that your answer mainly involves bashing....be intelligent or be gone....do you understand that cv's are there to COVER the ENTIRE FLEET?....that bombing is only a part of the overall JOB?, I dont care how good a cv bombs...if it's battle line is fighter camped and blind....they lose....PERIOD, thats the debate...NOT if YOU can get better credits for bombing in a loss...do you GET IT?
someone's done bitching people up in games, so he decides to do so in forums.
how sad.
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Re : CV bashing
06. 18. 2012 02:23
Chief0Milo
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Originally Posted by Maistral
Originally Posted by Subman99
apparently your not UNDERSTANDING it, who said scouting is the cvs sole job, that you don't seem to understand that once again proves the point....nice to see that your answer mainly involves bashing....be intelligent or be gone....do you understand that cv's are there to COVER the ENTIRE FLEET?....that bombing is only a part of the overall JOB?, I dont care how good a cv bombs...if it's battle line is fighter camped and blind....they lose....PERIOD, thats the debate...NOT if YOU can get better credits for bombing in a loss...do you GET IT?
someone's done bitching people up in games, so he decides to do so in forums.
how sad.
I don't get how you say he is bitching? Hes 100% correct. Including the part where he points out the other person is just bashing, and is the one not understanding it.
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Re : CV bashing
06. 19. 2012 21:13
AA88J
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I didn't mean to bash anybody. I responded to the OP and what I said is completely and entirely true.
That some fools think I dont get it because I didn't expound on the virtues of EVERY aspect of CV play is purely their problem.
I'm completely comfortable with my position and in just about any given GB you can see the cries of "Vision NORTH" , "CV VISION!!!!", "CV fail".
The truth is many BB players want the CV's to scout for them so they can get XP and whine like crazy when that doesn't happen.
There are exceptions to that rule. If you are an exception, dont take exception, move on and find someone else to unbunch your boy shorts.
Thanks in advance for taking and making this personal. I know you will.
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Re : CV bashing
06. 20. 2012 02:57
Fairimear
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i've raised two bb5 crews over the many years i played NF
I got a ecv token in the event so was like ffs and used all the olives i had round and crap to get the sailors for a cv.
And one thing i notice is there is a rediculous amount of greif and blame on CV when a matcg goes bad.
Fact is from what i have seen driving bb and CV is that games tend to be lost or won in the first 4 min. And Yes fighter cover at this time is important to keep scouts in air or out of air.
But the majority of the time its coming down to idiot BB's making bonehead decision and having no patients. A retreating bb has a advantage over a chassing bb. Yet for some reason There are many many bb4-5s that will decide to nose in to get 1 volly. then end up being the target of the entire nme line. ITS STUPID. it would be a stupid tactic irl and its a stupid tatcic here.
Secondly as i am only at CV2 atm i have to say. There are way to many bb who expect a cv2 with lvl 55 fighters to be able to take on cv4-5 with lvl 100+ fighters. IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN. the only fighters a cv1-3 can use below level75 are locals. And you aint gonna get vision from them.
Mods need to crack down on CV abuse. SDE need to rework scouts. And bb only players should try leveling a CV. trust me its a crap experiance
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Re : CV bashing
06. 20. 2012 04:35
flaggelant
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Originally Posted by Fairimear
Secondly as i am only at CV2 atm i have to say. There are way to many bb who expect a cv2 with lvl 55 fighters to be able to take on cv4-5 with lvl 100+ fighters. IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN. the only fighters a cv1-3 can use below level75 are locals. And you aint gonna get vision from them.
6 cv's in combination with all the ecvs handed out have resulted in most teams ending up with only 1 set of T3 or higher FP and 2 cv's in training, which dont know what to do, or dont have the routine to get their crews to do what they would like them to do.
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Re : CV bashing
06. 20. 2012 08:26
Pierlon
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i can only say 1 thing about this all
I play many night battle with my lvl120 fighters and scouts.
I use about 50 starshells a round.
I keep the enemy planes away from our ships.
I give continualy view for almost total enemy line North and south.
So please stop complaining, and say we need view, cause there is view all the time.
I can only say 1 thing
Start with hit your shells at the enemy ships if you don't want to loose again and again and again.
Cause many players even on the winning side only do max 40k damage with a BB5 every round again.
Shame your self, and start practice hit your shell and learn your angle before complaining.
You realy don't need elite filled with prem exp and vets to hit your target.
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