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  • CV bashing

    06. 12. 2012 11:18


mikkicd

im currently lvling a crew on a CV (BW)...and in almost every game someone is making derogatory comments....telling CV how to play...

i.e. .... 
VISION !!!!!!!
NEED FC !!!!
etc.

i contribute to the game as much as i can,,,usually sinking 1 or 2 ships per battle (average),and consistently rank in top 5 in attack.

and yet, still am the recipient of remarks.
if a BB wants vision......use your scout.
i  just wish ppl would be mature enough to realize that every player has their own style of play.

my job is to sink ships...as everyone elses is, but its hard to do when,the majority are going after BB and ignoring AA.

i just wanted to get this out there...comments are always appreciated

 

  • Re : CV bashing

    06. 12. 2012 13:28


Doomraver

Pray, what "risks" are given when you scout for BBs?

  • Re : CV bashing

    06. 12. 2012 13:32


Cougar8

Originally Posted by DeathAddict



All in All CVs do pull their weight but most of the time(Depending on the CV Player) , BBs dont often.  



You can't tell me that the majority of CVs ( 2 gold bar and under) that launch all there dbs on one pilot then fly them into a wave of enemy fighters are pulling their weight. Sure it would be tolerable if this rarely happend, but the Majority of CVs suck, the Majority of the time. When the sucking stops, the bashing stops.

  • Re : CV bashing

    06. 12. 2012 13:36


OttoReinhold

Originally Posted by mikkicd
ive just gotten an h 39...but doesnt it help a lil bit if i am able to drop 30,000 lbs on it?

Yes it helps "a lil bit". But not much if your bombers fly away and nobody can see it anymore. People wouldn't be half as mad if you would actually attack the important enemy ships. Like, sink the high level enemy FW if you can. Or take out that BB5, that has fallen back and is trying to rep up again. But when you dump some bombs on a random, unimportant ship and then have your bombers return to you it most often only helps your XP but nobody else.

You can play as you want. But when you're useless you'll be called out. That's not anti-CV racism. People in BBs being useless are called out too...

  • Re : CV bashing

    06. 12. 2012 13:53


Ultra_Dog

I have been playing CV for a few years now and I can't handle every single request that comes by during a game.

If I motor north, I get requests for scouts down south.  That's not my area, but I send a fighter over there anyway.

I bomb targets and, if no fighters or scouts loitering, I keep them over station.  Quite often I WANT them to be shot down, so I don't have to wait until they come home and I can reload.  When they're shot down, I can immediately load up new ones. 

I realize that BBs are the kings of the game, not CVs, not SS and certainly no ship below a BB with a gun.  They are the ones that do most of the damage and without their protection, the CV is toast. 

This is a game of teamwork, not a bunch of independent all-stars playing for themselves.  It requires communication.   Let me repeat that line one more time for some of you...

"IT REQUIRES COMMUNICATION"

If you don't let the CV know that bombers are inbound, chances are you'll get bombed. If you don't let the CV know to help with scouting, then chances are you're gonna get shelled from the darkness.  If you don't help shooting down scouts, you're leaving your BBs vulnerable to attack.  In other words, with BW only, you might as well play tennis or golf or tetris, a game of personal accomplishment, not a team game.


If you want to play BW, that's okay, but you realize how useless you are when a small fighter squadron camps your CV?  What are you going to do then? 

FWs are also useless when the game is close and the need to bomb an approaching ship or SS.  You'll of wished you had a squadron of TBs ready to go.

Run fighters for air superiority, sweep scouts out of the friendly areas, move your fighters into the enemy territory, don't engage in fighter battles over your own ships (move them to the enemy); and when scouting is needed, keep bombers and fighters loitering over the enemy until additional scouts show up.  Remember, your BBs can't launch scouts when they have Fighters camped overhead, so understand the dilemma for BBs.

Enough.

  • Re : CV bashing

    06. 12. 2012 13:57


mikkicd

otto....f.y.i.
i always go after the hi value target, even if it drops smoke...i either "hang around" til smoke clears...or pursue another target of equal value,,,,or....lol....run out of gas.

but thats just me..

  • Re : CV bashing

    06. 12. 2012 14:12


OttoReinhold

Originally Posted by mikkicd

otto....f.y.i.
i always go after the hi value target, even if it drops smoke...i either "hang around" til smoke clears...or pursue another target of equal value,,,,or....lol....run out of gas.

but thats just me..


That's cool. By the way, when people complain about their CVs it rarely is a direct attack against you. We can't tell who the CV was that failed terribly. Well at least I can't, because I'd never bother to watch the bombers return to a CV just to find out who it was. So maybe don't take it personal, but instead try to understand what exactly got people mad. Even if it wasn't you who was called out you can still learn from the mistake of others. We all can.

  • Re : CV bashing

    06. 12. 2012 14:22


V2CxBongRipz

Dont hurt your team and you wont get flamed. If you play bomber only then expect to get flak from your teamates. How hard is it to use a couple of fighter pilots even if you are mainly bombing? CVs without fighters and their teams are at a huge disadvantage when the other side has fighter heavy CVs.

  • Re : CV bashing

    06. 12. 2012 14:44


Chief0Milo

Originally Posted by mikkicd

thank you all for your input...
 some ppl are concerned about fighters etc camping.....solution..AA escort...doesnt cost much...and BARELY JUST effective EVEN AT REALLY HIGH LEVEL...
a BB v BB is good...ive just gotten an h 39...but doesnt it help a lil bit if i am able to drop 30,000 lbs on it? but if im shot down b4 i get there by AA....

if one reads about militrary history during WW 2...you will understand the role of the DB.....
Spanish civil war...1939...stuka
pearl harbor....midway....
blitzkrieg...(which was utilized by shwarzkopf during desert storm (?)...)


even during the "Battle of the Atlantic"...bombers played a role iby keeping convoys safe from doenitz's U-boats.....

edited your quote to add in an important detail you left out.

You also clearly didn't read much indepth about the role of the DB *at their time* , for someone that just tried using it as an example...

Spanish Civil War:
Republicans used 7.62 mm SP quad anti-aircraft machine guns which were inadequate at the time. The Stukas, at the time were quite at the forefront of aeroplane technology and were durable often taking a beating.
So the Stukas didn't have much competition against AA.
 
Pearl Harbour: 
lol... They didn't even know it was coming, there was basically no anti air to go against, thus absolutely no competition whatsoever against their DBs.

Midway:
Japan lost HUGE amount of fighters and DBs against the US once they brought the F6F Hellcat into the war. Yes that is right, a FIGHTER HELPED TIP AIR SUPREMACY IN FAVOUR of the force using the fighter.
And killing the jap ships? Made a hell lot easier due to that thing won by the fighters... AIR SUPREMACY.

Blitzkrieg:
Well, that was by pure numbers alone. Numbers of aircraft that you couldnt even imagine seeing in a single battle inside NF. AA took its toll on daylight bombing. That is why the Lancs did their night bombing runs, because air supremacy was at its lowest against them at night time. 
Might I point out DB in the blitzkrieg rarely happened. It was high altitude bombing to try to stay outside the ceiling of the AA, failing that, pure numbers would help see those fortunate through. 
*edit* lol just realised you meant this with respect to Desert Storm. Well, same thing. Through pure heavily intensive air power this was achieved. Again, by force that can't be duplicated inside of NF, not least because nf is ww2 drop bombs, and DS was with guided missiles/bombs...

Battle of the atlantic:
Those bombers had nothing going up against them, they had air superiority and were merely hunting fish in a barrel so to say.

At any point AA was an issue, the force adapted to overcome it.

How you can even compare any of these to NF is beyond me, when you used them as the basis for your own justifications, when in actual fact when looked into it, negates all your points.
 In NF, the role of the DB is negligible when there are pretty much AA laser boats and op T4 fighters all over the place which need to be addressed first, if according to you, which is how military history was played out. 

I do however understand BBs can be just as stupid/selfish with their useless playstyle/decisions or w/e they wish to do (like not carrying/using a scout) in what is supposed to be a team based game room.
If a scoutless BB calls for scouting, by all means feel free to tell him in the most rudest words to shove it where the sun don't shine.
I do. They deserve it. 

Originally Posted by mistermetal
do you have a scoutpilot on your BW? If not, go get one, then come again.
 

Scouting is NOT the main role of a CV in GB, it is to provide air superiority to allow scouting to happen. BBs cant launch fighters to combat CVs scouts. BBs have scouts, which need to be protected by air superiority (as well as BBs micromanaging their scouts).
You really do come across as an idiot with your statement. 

 

  • Re : CV bashing

    06. 12. 2012 14:59


fallenson

 

A massively multiplayer tactical simulation game.

In WWII CVs were the main offensive power, of any tactical group. All other ships had a defensive role, even BBs. If they lost the CV they were fish in a barrel. AA played a VERY important role.

 

(please see the "AA options" in test server discussion area)

 

Too many players think the CV is the escort to their BB. Wrong.

  • Re : CV bashing

    06. 12. 2012 15:01


V2CxBongRipz

Originally Posted by Chief0Milo

 

Scouting is NOT the main role of a CV in GB, it is to provide air superiority to allow scouting to happen. BBs cant launch fighters to combat CVs scouts. BBs have scouts, which need to be protected by air superiority (as well as BBs micromanaging their scouts).

 

Remember how that used to be how the game was played? lol

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